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[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 97 points 1 month ago (56 children)

Americans with six figure incomes are not the enemy. We need them on our side in the fight against the Americans with eight, nine, and higher figure incomes

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (16 children)

Put bluntly, those who live off labour aren't the enemy. Those who live off property (aka others' labour) are.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Yes, but that definion isn't that clear cut anymore as it was during the industrial revolution. Common people have pensions, i.e. stocks. Workers 'invest' in their home as real estate. Executive managers can be still just workers even if they make a million bucks. The analysis isn't that cut and dry if lots of people have investments on top of their wage job. Everyone not living hand to mouth is a kind of petit-bourgeoisie. The vast majority are not proletariat anymore.

I don't want you to think I'm anti-leftist, because I definitely support significant redistribution and an end to capitalism. Just want people to think a bit further than mid-19th century definions and analysis which I think no longer hold. Alternative suggestions are welcome

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If you can't quit your job and live off your investments and previous earnings, you are firmly in the proletariat.

Lumping in those who day trade on T212 with those buying into investment schemes at the clubhouse isn't helpful. "It's a big fucking club" and it's pretty obvious whether you're in it or not.

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