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They had turned the church into a marketplace. So if you're in it just for the money then yeah you're a problem.
Jesus actually sent out the disciples to teach without any money and expected them to live on the generosity of the people they taught so that's where the collection plate likely originates from.
And just like everything in the Bible, they take a grain of truth and turn it into a multimillion dollar pyramid scheme .... or they use it as a weapon to go after people and groups they don't like.
Personally I'm non religious, I think they're all nuts. The origins of these religions might have started out with some noble goals that might have been for the good of humanity ... but now it's just a system of power, money and control to manipulate a gullible audience.
Not every Christian group is like that. You only notice the loud lunatics.
We only hear the loud lunatics because the quiet followers never say or do anything about them.
genuinely want to know your thoughts: what do you think we can do?
Practice your religion by yourself and speak and connect to your beliefs on your own. No one needs a public and constant display or acknowledgement of what you believe. And we don't need to conform the entire world and everyone around to satisfy your beliefs and your religion. And a religion doesn't need a billion dollar industry and infrastructure in order for it to exist.
If what you believe is moral, respectable, useful and beneficial to society, then there should never be a need to display your religion, your beliefs or to have the need to want to convert others by force or coercion. If what you believe is morally good for everyone, people will gravitate towards your religion .... forcing it on others and onto society is a sure sign that what you believe has more to do with wanting control over others rather than in creating a belief system that would benefit people.
Okay, so, if all the quiet religious folk were just more quieter, that would stop the megachurch swindlers? How? Wouldn't it just give them more leeway as we won't be "forcing our religion on them", eg, calling out their heresy?
Also, I believe that anyone outside of my religion goes to hell. So it will be neglectful and not loving to refuse to give someone the reason/cause of my belief, or to warn them of impending disaster.
I consider Jesus of Nazareth's resurrection from the dead a historical fact. Therefore the logical implications from there are that He is God and what He says must be true. I don't see why I shouldn't be able to speak about said fact like anyone can speak about other facts and give them my reasons for believing that.
Lastly, if I weren't practicing my religion in public, that would involve not forgiving other people. It would involve seeking revenge. It would involve being impatient. Things I might do if I weren't a Christian.
If people were doing this, how would you know? And if other people aren't, what do you expect the people who are to do about it? Are you hoping for a Streets of New York scene where the non-intrusive Christians duke it out with the loudmouthed Christians until only one group is left?
I'm not saying what you're saying is wrong, it just doesnt address the question of the guy who responded to you.
Yeah, there are definitely bad people out there trying to take advantage of Christians and make money off them. I think that's exactly what Jesus was mad about. If Jesus was born today he would probably be chasing televangelist's phone operators away from their desks with a whip and flipping computer desks of the people trying to scam Christian grandmas.
Like any other organization if you look hard enough and if it's what you're looking for then you can see people doing bad things but I do not think organized Christian religion is bad as a whole.
Jesus was a cult leader. The only reason hed dislike those other cult leaders is theyre competition.
I'm Indigenous Canadian and my parents were victims of the Residential School system in Canada in the 50s, 60s .... residential 'schools' which were literal torture centers for Indigenous children run by Christian organizations.
From my point of view .... Christian religion is bad as a whole.
I'm very sorry about what happened to your parents and in turn the effects these schools had on you and your family. From everything I've heard the Canadian government has treated the indigenous people terribly.
Nothing in Jesus's teachings or the New Testament says "Running torture centers is what you should do".
There are a lot of bad people who want to claim what they're doing is what God told them to do because it makes it easier to get away with or easier for them to stomach themselves.
At this point in history, the image of Jesus Christ is a caricature of what he is supposed to represent. He is just an image and idea that is worshipped and that is all. No one cares about his teachings or his ideas, they just care about his image, praising him and getting their free ticket to heaven.
In essence, the image of Jesus Christ has become their golden calf that people mindlessly pray to and worship without thinking or wondering about what he actually represents.
Tithing is in the old testament. It's from a long time before Señor Christ.
Christian religions follow the teachings of Jesus so if Jesus had said something contrary to the idea of tithing it is worth noting. Likewise if he had done something to reaffirm it then that is worth noting.
Christian religions flow the teachings of Jesus who followed/was aware of/modified the teachings of Judaism, which already had centuries of tithing already established. Dude didn't invent it.
No he did not invent tithing. Sorry if it seems that's what I suggested. There are a few things the church does in the Old Testament that Christians specifically do NOT do so imo it's important to point out where in Jesus's teachings these practices are reaffirmed.
I got that impression from this part of your comment
The idea of donating in church or donating to a spiritual leader is waaaaaaaay older and recorded
Yeah, I suppose I should have clarified the Christian collection plate, but I didn't think that was necessary because OP asked what we think Jesus would think about tithing.