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"Right now is one of the most difficult moments in our history. The pressure on Ukraine is at its peak. The country may face a very tough choice: either a loss of dignity or the risk of losing a key partner," the president said.

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[โ€“] drzoidberg@lemmy.world 65 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The "peace" plan trump has is roll over and give up your land, military, weapons.

What a load of bullshit, and Zelenskyy shouldn't even entertain the idea. Ukraine shouldn't be forced to give up their land, reduce their military, or give up long range weapons. It weakens them for when that bag of shit Putin attacks again.

[โ€“] persona_non_gravitas@piefed.social 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Minor correction, I think this is what you meant but I it bears clarifying:

Zelenskyy shouldn't even have to entertain the idea.

That such a proposal is even considered is a failure of the international community. The only thing Russia will learn is that their old tricks still work and that violence is still a valid method to achieve goals, if it just persists long enough.

But ukrainians only need to think of Ukraine and what's the least bad option for them. It's not like accepting a bitter and probably temporary peace is an alien concept to any country bordering Russia.

[โ€“] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That such a proposal is even considered is a failure of the international community.

It wasn't a failure of the Internation community. This was a Trump surprise with no input from anyone but Putin.

[โ€“] Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 6 points 1 day ago

It is now.

The media across countries is referring to the proposal as if it was a serious peace plan. Because of that, it is now widely seen as a serious peace plan across the international community.

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