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[โ€“] ynthrepic@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I don't disagree that the west got to where it is brutalizing everyone else. That is beside the point when we're talking about the present.

China is a terrible example of democracy and of communism. It has some effective social programmes and top down organization which has been efficient at rapid economic growth and reducing poverty, but there remain severe class divides, suppression of minorities and in some cases outright slavery with the Uighurs. Forget about LGBT rights too, of course. China may yet emerge as the paragon of human civilization the way the world is going now, but it's a few serious reforms away from that, including having actually democratically elected representatives.

Any other examples?

[โ€“] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

No, it isn't besides the point, the west runs on a system called imperialism by which they export capital and super-exploit the global south for super profits domestically. It's why the US Empire has hundreds of overseas millitary bases, and nobody else comes close. The west never stopped plundering, and the slow death of imperialism is why the west is currently turning to fascism.

Secondly, China is a democratic country where the working class is in control, and extreme poverty has been eliminated. The working class gains immense improvements in their lives year over year. They have strong protections for minority ethnic groups, and aren't enslaving the Uyghurs. They do have elected representatives, even if they don't practice the same system as western systems. LGBTQIA+ rights are regularly improving as well.

You fundamentally do not know what China is actuslly like nor how western countries function.