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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

But we know that both can be major sources of falling birthrates.

[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone -3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I think you accidentally fell face first into my point

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

We were tasked with showing how capitalism can cause birth rates to fall and find grotesque means to combat that.

[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone -5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The incredible drop in birth rates in post-socialist countries.

[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone -2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

What about China and Cuba?

You also haven't drawn a link to how those drops were directly caused by capitalist policies

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Both are still socialist, so they haven't had the same economic crisis that going from socialism to capitalism causes.

Secondly, they showed quite clearly that the erosure of safety nets and the general unaffordability of life after the introduction of capitalism is what causec birth rates to drop.

[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone -2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Okay the argument is that the lack of social safety nets and childcare causes a decline in birth rates. Right?

Your argument is that the transition from socialism to capitalism is directly linked to a drop in birth rates? I assume in this particular case you mean the loss of free childcare and social safety nets leads women to avoid having children?

So, in capitalist countries where there is subsidised/ free childcare and more developed safety nets should correspond to an increase in birth rates?

And to expand on that, socialist countries such as China and Cuba should show an increase in birth rates. An i getting this right or am I missing your point

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 13 hours ago

You're confusing several things here that do not all extrapolate from the point that the transition from socialism to capitalism was devastating, and included the erosion of safety nets and social services. Further, capitalist countries like the nordics you referenced earlier fund their safety nets through imperialism, forcing austerity abroad.