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Germany's Bundesrat, the upper house of parliament, backed a bill to criminalize the denial of Israel's right to exist on Friday, a motion that constitutional experts said could jeopardize freedom of expression.

According to the bill, anyone denying Israel's right to exist or calling for its abolition would be punished with a prison sentence of up to five years under the regulation. The bill will be examined by the Bundestag, the lower house of parliament, after its summer recess.

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[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 4 points 48 minutes ago* (last edited 47 minutes ago)

Can we first know what "right to exist" means for the context of a nation state? Surely, Nazi Germany didn't have a "right to exist". So, surely it's not a universal right like a person's right to exist? This means there are things a state can do that revoke it's "right to exist"? So, what does it actually mean?

  • All states (even Nazi Germany) have a "right to exist" and it cannot be revoked.

  • No states have a "right to exist".

  • All states have a right to exist until some defined violation that revokes that right.

  • It's a meaningless phrase that is only used in the context of defending a genocidal apartheid state.

I'm leaning towards thinking they are using the last definition.

[–] raicon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

This whole shit about "Right to exist" is extremely absurd.

Never before, anywhere else on the planet, no other country was ever questioned to have the right to exist.

Fuck these genocidal colonialists, trying to smooth ambiguous sentences with acceptance for their genocide.

[–] arctanthrope@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

exactly. does Genovia have a right to exist? that's the fictional European kingdom from The Princess Diaries. it's doesn't exist. but does it have a right to?

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

People OK, government bad.

Israel should exist as a pluralistic society.

Apartheid Israel needs to undergo some very painful changes, starting with ending their genocide against Palestinians.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 5 points 1 hour ago

Israel is a settler colonial project, it fundamentally cannot exist as a pluralistic society.

Palestine used to be a pluralistic society.

[–] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 20 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The Germans really love genocide.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 14 points 2 hours ago

What about Palestine's right to exist? They going to pass a similar law about that?....no?... Didn't think so.

[–] treehugger6@lemmy.world 12 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

I do not recognize terrorist states. Free Palestine. And fuck you Germany. You never changed.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 2 points 1 hour ago

And may the Israeli themselves receive the same right to exist as they give the Palestinians.

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That has been illegal already afaik, so what changed?

[–] treehugger6@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago

It was illegal to deny holocaust. Fuck Israhell

[–] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

Fuck ze germans and fuck Israel