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[–] alcea@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

I like how its so obvious there is no need to talk a single word. This could have easily been much longer, but these arguments are sufficient.

[–] HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 35 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Do you have any idea how much you have to abuse a living being for it to consciously not want to have kids?

And we achieved this level of abuse on humans! And we did it very well, in reproducible way, with reproducible results across multiple countries! We should make a research paper about it.

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (21 children)

Nah,

I just think that they're annoying, and they would absolutely ruin my life

There's not a single thing that appeals about having children. Everything I enjoy would be ruined by them

I wasn't beaten or abused by society. I live in a civilised part of the world, rather than the shit show that is 'Murica

It's not neccesary to invent grand reasons for not breeding

I just didn't want to

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (2 children)

So, let's say you have a system where people go to work, do their job, and get paid. The employer wants more productivity, so the work becomes more stressful ("a full workload"). The worker does more for less, the company celebrates.

There is a hidden element here: stress. Your workers will be more productive, however their baseline stress levels will rise over time. It's cumulative and takes years to show; but it means everyone above a certain age who works a well paying job has a high stress burden. A lot of people live without any job security.

Stressed organisms do not reproduce.

[–] alleycat@feddit.org 16 points 4 days ago

I'd put it this way: being a parent is basically a second job. If your workplace takes 100% of your work capacity, then there is none left for raising children.

[–] Burray_Mookchin@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

everyone above a certain age who works a well paying job

Haha I wish

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

because my life is ruined shitheap of misery and i dont have the emotional capacity to deal with kids, the financial capacity to afford kids, and my genetics are a ticking timebomb that i really wouldnt want to inflict on kids the way it was inflicted on me.

and lets not even get into the world itself and how its a festering cesspit on teetering on the edge of fascistic ruin because an elite group of corrupt billionaires don't want to ever give up their dragon hordes, or their ability to fuck infants and toddlers.

[–] TrippyHippyDan@lemmy.world 56 points 5 days ago (6 children)

In the US you can't even buy vegetables right now without worrying about getting explosive diarrhea. Just the thing you want for your children.

[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Our government is just trying to help the people of America by tackling the obesity crisis with this all natural ozempic alternative!

/s (if it wasn't obvious)

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[–] Allero@lemmy.today 65 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not to mention the clear financial aspect

[–] Tango@piefed.ca 18 points 5 days ago (8 children)

This is a much better reason, frankly.

"I couldn't bring a child into a world like this" is a bit of mental gymnastics that people use to convince themselves that they're being noble and selfless with this decision, when in reality it's neither noble nor ignoble, neither selfless nor selfish. Every child eventually hits their parents with the classic "I never asked to be born!", and while it's certainly true, NOBODY asks to be born, and life has ALWAYS sucked in some way or another. Should pre-humans have refused to have kids because it would be cruel to bring them into a world where they have to kill to eat? Nonsense.

If people simply don't want to have kids, they should simply say that and own it. They don't OWE it to anybody to have kids - but they don't owe it to anybody to not have kids, either. It's not a moral decision in either direction. It's simply a case that some people don't feel up to the responsibility, and that's fine: not superior, just fine.

And before anyone says that not having kids helps to keep the surplus population down: no problem on Earth is a result of the population being too high. There's enough food for everyone; the problem is distribution. There's enough land for everyone; the problem is that some people are hoarding. If the population starts using renewables and just generally going green, corporations build more data centers and invent other novel ways to waste resources.

[–] milk@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Why not? Pre-humans were not smart enough to recognise that having children would cause the children to suffer. Perhaps it would be better to simply die out as a species. It all depends on how you view morality and how you weigh non-existence

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[–] TheGreatRapsBeat@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I was raised in a very dysfunctional household. I broke free, met an amazing partner, and we both wanted children. I finally have the opportunity to be a kid again with them, provide them the childhood I never had and be apart of it, by having the childhood I never had. My kids are 9 & 11… and we are slowly having to pull back on fun active activities outdoors during the summer months because the environment is getting worse and worse year over year…

I broke the cycle, but their childhood is slowly being robbed of them.

Record rain in my area to where water drainage infrastructure is being destroyed bit by bit every fucking night. Massive tornado inducing storms where we normally don’t see them (a freak event killed a bunch of people and destroyed nearly a billion dollars in property back in the 80s, nothing since and nothing before). Record amount of tornados in my Province, humid as fuck when I live in the prairies. Smokey unbeatable air because of the one area not getting rain burning down.

I want off this ride.

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[–] MBech@feddit.dk 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

The short answer is: I don't want to.

The longer answer is: I really, seriously, don't want to.

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[–] jtrek@startrek.website 34 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I was looking at the costs of raising a child the other day and I don't know how anyone does it. My job pays garbage with trash health insurance.

I'm just so mad at the management class with their high pay and not doing any actual work. My boss seems fine - I think he knows this is bullshit and goes a little out of his way to make it easier for me. But everyone above him? If I saw them drowning I'd have to think a long time before throwing a life vest.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They don't want to make it more affordable to have children so that women are forced to drop out of the workforce to stay home and raise them.

[–] Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But they also don't pay enough to be able to raise a kid without both parents working too, I take it?

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 days ago

Keep them poor and distracted.

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[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 17 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I just don't want kids. Knew I never wanted to be a parent ever since I was a kid having to help my parents raise my nephews and niece. I could be a billionaire and every problem on Earth could be solved, I still wouldn't have kids.

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (13 children)

That's something that people deliberately ignore

There's still so much stigma in being child-free that people make up more socially palatable excuses rather than just saying "I don't want kids"

There is no part of my life that would be improved by having kids

Every part of my life would be less pleasant if I had kids

Simples.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.club 5 points 4 days ago

@FistingEnthusiast in most of america you cannot say that or you get blacklisted. I always just say well, not right now! Which really means hopefully never because their lives will be only suffering.

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I really want being childfree to be normalised. The world will be a much better place when the only people having children are the ones who genuinely want to be parents. I'll never understand why some people get so mad at the idea of others just not wanting to have kids.

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[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I went to the Arctic in 2006, learned a lot about our climate future, and decided that if any of it started coming true I wouldn't have any kids. 20 years later, it's all far worse than we imagined and i am happy i didn't bring kids into this mess.

[–] MolochHorridus@piefed.social 26 points 5 days ago (4 children)

But imagine if your kid would be so special they could invent solution to all these problems!

/s

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[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago

Number One: I'm a homosexual, so I'm not having the reproductive type of copulation, EVER.

Number Two: Bigots. They poisoned public perception of homosexuals. They fought to legislate away our rights and prevent us from adopting children amongst many other things like legalized marriage. They pushed gay people into the fringes of society, lead our friends and families to abandon us, marginalized, and isolated us. Those scars run deep and the societal damage is still festering. Even if I were still young enough to feel confident I could raise a child and live long enough to finish the job now that things are "better" and these rights are an option to me, I wouldn't adopt. I have seen the inside, and I know it's all too easy for society to fall back into the abyss. NO thank you. I'm already at max capacity caring for adult parents, can't imagine if there were children in the equation as well.

Now that's just me personally. On the other hand...

Fewer couples have the capacity and/or desire to support a family, let alone a large one, as it means a loss of income from one or both partners not working, vastly increased expenses, strain on relationships, and a myriad other problems. If most people could live comfortably and with reasonably fulfilled needs/desires on the income from one person and it didn't require that one person to work themselves to death, then you might see higher birth rates.

Anecdotally, the people I'm seeing having the most kids (like 3+) are pretty much all financially very well off or struggling really badly. There are exceptions, of course, but most couples who are keeping their heads above water (if only barely) know their limits and recognize that having kids, let alone multiple children, would bring hardship to all involved.

[–] SteelAnt@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Don't forget about the economy :(

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[–] Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Generally agree, but where did the air quality decrease compared to some decades back?

(80s kid here, so maybe my brain is to slow to realize it, because of the remains still in my bloodstreams of the lead fumes and unfiltered coal power plant exhausts I inhaled back then...)

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 41 points 5 days ago (4 children)

It didn't. Air quality is substantially better world wide, there are better, real indicators of how bad the state of the world is the artist could have used. But also far more metrics about how better the world is, which no one ever likes to talk about. Way less extreme poverty, way less starvation, way less war, way more access to clean water, way more vaccinations, etc. The problem is the ultra rich are making life worse for the majority of privileged people, and we are really feeling it. But worldwide, humanity is objectively leaps and bounds better than it was 100 years ago

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I was educated not to leave trash around when I visited nature.

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[–] nil@piefed.ca 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There are a whole lot more reasons to NOT have kids imo.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Implying the politicians in the government are capable of feeling shame?

[–] efty@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (4 children)

feeling like the whole society is absolute delulu atp. the world is going down so why the fuck would you set kids in this world? everybody is acting like they dont fear the future and everybody is just thinking one day ahead. do they really think its going to get better by magic?

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Trying to find a moment in history when the long term outlook was rosey enough to say "Now is the right time to have kids", and I can't.

Part of having kids is the struggle of supporting other people. Part of the joy of having kids is positioning a future person to do things you lacked the opportunity to do, yourself.

If humanity can solve climate change, we still will not be the generation that lives to see it. We'll pass the torch and then our children will pass the torch and then our grandchildren will know if we were successfully.

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[–] nbsp@programming.dev 20 points 5 days ago

all true, but...

we enjoy our free time, hobbies, and traveling the world? want more of that not zero.

this feels like that one sponge bob meme template with the trash or whatevs.

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