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[–] vegeta@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago

People who like AI don't care with this debate. These anti-ai comments are barking at the moon.

[–] litchralee@sh.itjust.works 51 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I saw this counterpoint on Mastodon and I think it sums up things rather well: https://hachyderm.io/@chris_e_simpson/116925250364867462

Child labour is such an excellent comparison to use against the "if it is effective why not use it" argument.

[–] vanillama@programming.dev 29 points 1 week ago

And watch the billionaires nod in agreement to more child labor lol

[–] xianjam@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This has got to be the worst argument I've ever seen.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Please elaborate

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

comparing LLMs to child labor is summing it up well?

jfc

[–] mhmmm@slrpnk.net 37 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I really want to link this article here as a counterpoint - why "AI is just a tool" as a stance doesn't quite cut it as far as well-founded opinions go: https://www.frank.computer/blog/2025/05/just-a-tool.html

[–] terabyterex@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i think most people here conflate ai with data centers. datat centers exist with out ai and you can use ai without data centers. local ai fills a lot of needs and in the next two years there will be more home hardware to run it. nvidia just announced a new consumer chip , coming out later this year, to run models at home.

in my eyes, the bubble has always been paying a company to use their ai. sure it has places for science and medicine but most of us dont use it for that.

so AI is a tool, how its used or implemented is the problem.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

AI fills a lot of needs

Sure it does, Jensen

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That was unnecessarily wordy to express only two complaints:

AI causes environmental damage and AI was created by scraping content that the AI companies didn't own.

[–] vanillama@programming.dev 15 points 1 week ago

Did you read the whole thing? It's about a lot more, such as corporate control, economic hardship, and alienation. It's not a long read and you don't have to care or agree with the author, but this is a disservice to their post.

[–] litchralee@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This blog post is a wandering train of thought on the topic of what tools are and why it matters to be even slightly more mature in how we think about them.

That's the second sentence, and it's fairly clear that the author means to start the discussion of the titular topic, not to conclusively explore every ail of AI. Of which there are many, yet enumerated.

Some people call this "food for thought"; I would agree.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The solution is to make sure those LLM tools help maintainers instead of just causing them pain. There's no question on that side.

We're not forcing anybody to use it, but I will very loudly ignore people who try to argue against other people from using it.

And no, AI isn't perfect. But Christ, anybody who points to the problems at AI had better be looking in the mirror and pointing at themselves at the same time.

Linus is, as usual, a pragmatist. And he's right. All the bitching and gnashing of teeth over AI is ridiculous. If it produces good code then you should accept that code.

People will bitch and complain about 'slop' but the kernel team has processes in place to manage and review code from thousands of sources. They know what they're doing.

Nobody serious is going to say "just accept AI created code without review!" That's tech-bro BS. Quality software engineers know to adopt tools cautiously and deliberately.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

If you're going to argue people should accept AI code (what people ought to do) then you've entered a moral argument. People are free to argue about when the code is good 'as in useful' but naturally that's not as important as when the code is good 'as in morally good'.

I value software freedom, and copyleft licenses like Linux's GPL for protecting it. While AI generated code cannot be copyrighted then it cannot be licensed under a free software license. It can legally become proprietary. You ought not accept "good" AI code.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

AI generated code cannot be copyrighted

It can legally become proprietary

pick one

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

People can take "your" non-copyrighted code and ignore any copyright license you could try, and fail, to enforce in court.