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Lemmings living in red states, how’re you doing? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 year ago by Gullible@sh.itjust.works to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't argue with people, I slowly explain to them what Republicans lawmakers are doing. Try as hard as possible not to be conescending.

I explain how Biden and Obama are better at convicting and deporting, why Trump's cruelty is so innefficient.

I explain that Trump said he had nothing to do with project 2025 and now Matt Walsh and Fox News are explaining their plans which coincidentally align with project 2025.

I explain the Trump Tax Plan, which is identical to last time, how it raised everybody's taxes below a certain amount.

Sometimes they tell me "but that Harris was an idjet" and I explain how she wanted to bring back child tax credits and vowed to never raise taxes on anyone below 400k annual earnings. They ask "well she didnt say that during the CNN Interview or debates!" and I direct them to her website where every single policy is laid out clearly.

Many of them do not understand the ramifications of the situation they have caused. They are completely unaware of the consequences of their actions, expect life to go on as if their side just won at sports without any impact on the real world. It is easy to ignore and be ignored if thats what you want to do in a red state.

When people try to threaten me I can be very intimidating as a result of my natural physique. Fear is something I will die before showing any of these people. They respect strength, the simple fools, it can get you far in their world.

That's how I do.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Try as hard as possible not to be conescending.

Feel free to be condescending, they are too stupid to understand anyway.

The only way for Dems to win was to increase turnout and they didn't pull that off. There was zero chance of peeling off Republican voters.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Terrible, no-good take. It's because of this attitude, totally ungrounded in the political science, that outside the USA we now have to put up with your bad decisions, once again.

Sorry to be so crude but this really p*sses me off. Your side is now losing in almost every single demographic group, the trend is as clear as day. If it were to follow your terrible advice (which fortunately it won't) the Democrats would be permanently out of power and the USA would become a de-facto one-party state. You can't pretend that these people don't exist or that they're subhuman. You have to sully your virtue and talk to them and find some compromises. If not for yourself then for the sake of the rest of us.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bruh just flat out no. The reason we lost is 100% the opposite of that. The reason we lost is because biden and harris both tried to be more moderate to attract republicans. Instead of actually doing anything useful and fixing the world, they both focused on sucking off netanyahu instead of free healthcare and ubi.

They failed the base that elected them and tried to court the enemy. Courting republicans is a waste of time unless your goal is to make things worse. The only way to deal with these fucking vegetables is to treat them like theyre in the past. Ignore republican talking points. Cringe when your republican cousin talks. If you see a trump flag, stop, point and laugh.

Shame these fucks and make sure they understand that they will no longer be taken seriously. The adults are talking and MAGA has chosen to sit at the little kids table.

Fucking shun every single one of them. They no longer are part of our society

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'll try a different tack. Because after all, we seem to want the same result.

In my analysis (which, as someone who follows this pretty closely, I maintain is much better supported by the evidence than yours), I have to suck it up and talk to people I don't like and maybe even accept policies I don't like.

In yours, you get to feel great about being in the right, with no need to question any of your prejudices much less make any compromises.

If you were a neutral observer watching this conversation, who would you believe?

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Republicans pull in a consistent number of votes every election because they have the hateful moron brigade as a consistent voting bloc. Dems win when there is higher turnout because they motivate people to show up, and lose when there is lower turnout, but they sure as shit aren't appealing to the hate brigade.

Trying to be reasonable and polite with Republicans like Liz Cheney is what took the wind out of the sails of the Harris campaign. They did the fucking appease everyone bland bullshit and lost. That is what you are saying is the right thing to do.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Your theory is just a theory, and a weak one. The evidence suggests that the election was mainly just a backlash against inflation and immigration, as has happened across the world to parties of all stripes. Not much could have been done to avert the outcome. But it is also clear that a bunch of voters were pissed off by what they perceived as Democrat excesses on cultural issues, and apparently many of those people were in swing states.

More generally: "just turn out the base" is usually a losing strategy in democratic politics. For a simple reason: the cost of turning out your own base is that you will fire up the opposing base and turn them out too. To be sure of winning an election in democracy, you will need to get your hands dirty and persuade people. In practice that will mean tacking towards the center and making compromises.