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Reminds of a couple [(brilliantly delivered, poignant)] lines from the movie Sphere.
"I hope it doesn't have any feelings."
"What happens when he gets upset?"
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I've never used systemd to shut down
Sudo shutdown -h now works on the Mac
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Systemd waiting for to terminate on shutdown is one of the reasons i've ditched it.
I solve that by holding my power button, not worth the hassle of ditching systemd for me
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systemctl invariably hangs on waitimg for some job to finish. systemd-shutdown-inhibitor is hideous.
poweroff -ff
Just poweroff is fine. Why lose extra 2.5 seconds typing two words when one word will suffice?
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I was always particularly fond of windows turning my laptop on, running updates, and then going into hibernation, which then caused a blue screen trying to come out of it.
The laptop had sleep and hibernation disabled, all of the wake-on-events and automatic updates were disabled as well. (It was an older cranky thing and deserved rest - or to be taken out back and shot.)
Yet, somehow it always turned on for update day, even after I blocked it from the internet via the router.
I enjoy the backpack detection mode they have on laptops to make sure it turns on, overheats, and drains the battery anytime you take it somewhere you'll want to use it unplugged.
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Well, there's a reason why I shut down my Windows laptop at least 30 minutes before I have to actually leave somewhere.
My biggest annoyance isn't even Windows as such, but random applications that have auto-updaters that run when the app is closed. "Okay, time to go now." "NO! I must update this app!! Do not stop this update or hideously evil data corruption will happen!!!" ...there's no excuse for this stuff. Just do it when starting the application.
Just do it when starting the application.
then the other half of the userbase will complain
Everyone arguing about the amount of keypresses to type a shutdown command and time it takes to shutdown... I just power it off at the wall. One button press, shutdown is near instantaneous
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Five seconds? What's hogging that system? Mine is about two, at most, from the WM shutdown selection.
You know I'm okay with Windows running updates I shut down or anything else like that. It's incredibly annoying when people don't run updates and then wonder why their system gets fucked up. It's just like on Linux when people just absolutely refuse to acknowledge the fact that they need to run updates. And many times I need to run the updates manually through the command line. There are quite a few gooey applications and things like that that will allow you to run updates but many times you still have to run them manually. And then something breaks and people wonder why I broke when they didn't run any updates. So in the end really who gives a fuck if it's running updates on shutdown you hit the button says run updates you tell it to run updates and you either close the lid on your laptop and walk away or you carry it till it shuts down within a few minutes and then you shut it down. Or you just let your desktop run until it's done. It's really not that big of a deal that people here seem to make it out to be and seem to make 10 different memes a day about the shutdown process on whatever OS they want to shut down.
For most people, especially work computer/laptop users, making the update happen by default on restart or during sleep hours does a lot to keep the pc updated, because they would otherwise never do it themselves. There is a somewhat large minority of users who complain about such behaviour, but these are mostly people into computers anyways and can update their stuff anyways.
But the biggest gripe is the horrid implementation of the start menu power buttons in windows:
- update and restart: mostly works as you would expect - updates and boots the pc
- update and shutdown: updates the pc, and instead of leaving the pc in shutdown state, many times it just boots the pc again, working like update and restart
- restart/shutdown without updating: non-insignificant chance of it doing the update anyways
Thank you for mentioning the horrible implementation of the power button options.
Update and shutdown? Nah, I don't feel like it. I'm gonna restart five times also and then I'm boot into Windows.
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