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[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 32 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (7 children)

I agree with that the abusive cops and ice is insane in the US, and it should be stopped. I also believe that the US is a corrupt nation in nearly every place of the government and surrounding instances.

But a question surround this, what if the US wasn't corrupt and the judges would actually follow the law (juries wouldn't be able to exist for most cases) and hypothetical if the US had privacy laws for everything besides businesses wouldn't this be the same punishable offence that would protect citizens?

In GDPR countries (among others) nobody is allowed to do something like this with face recognition because the law works for everybody. (Some people are trying to destroy this in some countries, though).

At the same time, if the government is allowed to use facial recognition and other anti-privacy measures to identify people where there is no ground to, then why shouldn't the people be able to do that?

Edit: I am not from the US and my look on life and trias political situations is different than what the fuck is happening in the US

If the police weren't unaccountable invaders, and just, liked, issued annoying tickets or whatever instead of murdering children and doing to crowds of peaceful civilians things that would be war crimes if done to uniformed enemy soldiers literally any tike they assemble, or even if the obes who actually did that stuff were punished literally at all when they did, i don't think anyone would have even thought to do this.

They are abd they do and they don't, though.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Well, the US Supreme court did explicitely say cops have no expectation of anonymity while doing their job. This is completely legal. Its premised on the idea that cops arent there to be abusive but to uphold the law, which is not always actually true. The root of the problem is cops behavior themselves rather than the recording or identifying of them. Up until very recently cops at least had their names visible and were required to show ID upon request.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

(juries wouldn't be able to exist for most cases)

What does this mean?

Edit: read further down that you're in a country that doesn't guarantee jury trials so I'm guessing you're referring to some kind of criteria not being met to trigger a trial by jury

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 16 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

In GDPR countries (among others) nobody is allowed to do something like this with face recognition because the law works for everybody.

IDK the specifics of GDPR (and GDPR is relatively new, so it will continue to evolve for some time...)

In my view: the police are public servants, salaries and pensions paid by taxes. They have voluntarily chosen to serve as public servants. Whole hosts of studies show that police who are actively involved with the communities they police, seeing, being seen, being known by the neighborhoods they work in, those police are more effective at preventing crime, defusing domestic disputes, etc. than faceless thugs with batons and guns who only show up when they are going to use their arrest powers to shut down whatever is going on.

If I were to write "my version" of the GDPR that I think the US should enact, there would be clear exceptions for public servants, including police and politicians. Now, you can get into the whole issue of "undercover cops" which is clearly analogous to "secret police" which may be a necessary evil for some circumstances, but that's not what is going on with OP's website. OP is providing a tool to compare photos to a public database of photographs of public servants - not undercover cops. By the way: performance is spec'ed at 1 to 3 seconds per photo comparison, so 9000 photos might take 9000-27000 seconds to compare, that's 2.5 to 7.5 hours to run one photo search.

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[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

the judges would actually follow the law (juries wouldn’t be able to exist for most cases)

A core tenet of the law is the right to trial by a jury of your peers.

Jury trials have a very similar flaw to democracy.

Think of an average person you know, how stupid are they? Now, realize that half the people out there are stupider than that.

An average randomly selected jury is going to be composed of 50% below average intelligence people.

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Of the US law yes, but that's not the case everywhere.

I personally don't think juries should do more than give extra input to the judge. The judge should follow the law exactly and tif they don't, the average person should be able to file a complaint about them not doing their job and they should be investigated.

(I also work in a field (accountancy) where you can file complaints to be for very cheap if I don't do my job correctly)

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Curious: how often in your field are people harassed out of work by politically motivated complaints?

Around here, restaurant owners are very vulnerable to that kind of harassment - they can literally be put out of business just by people complaining to the health department, with no real basis to the complaints. Its one thing that keeps restaurant owners out of politics.

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Not that often, since it is a very formal matter to sue a registered accountant over here. It costs like 50 euro to complain or something and the accountant can lose his title from it.

https://www.nba.nl/tools-en-ondersteuning/publicaties/2025/jaaroverzicht-klachtencommissie-nba-2024/

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 8 hours ago

Yeah, 50€ will stop the drunk at the pub from filing a complaint on his mobile for a lark, but in the greater scheme it's no barrier at all for people intent on serious harassment.

the accountant can lose his title from it.

That's almost always on the table with complaint investigations against licensed professionals of all kinds.

The bigger trick is: who are the regulators that execute the decision making process, how onerous is it to fight it, etc. A lot of what goes down around here on the "bad side" of all that is that certain actors familiar with the system will develop relationships with the regulatory body and launch complaints sufficient to significantly harass license holders (or any regulated person) just enough to really bother them, but not quite enough to trigger a fight with lawyers in the courts and appeals processes. In a competitive arena like running a restaurant, the harassment can be expensive and time consuming enough to tip the balance between profitable, and shutting down.

[–] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

The answer is that I don't think it matters because the US or any other society will never reach some utopic standard of privacy. So long as we live in a world where facial recognition is possible - it is better to regulate it strongly than attempt to prohibit it.

In a modern globalized world the old privacy is dead, no matter how you look at it. Going forward something new will need to be built out of the ashes, be it a new privacy or something better/worse.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

The plebs and the regime never have the same rights, in any country
FR is definitely used in GDPR countries.
For police it's so- called 'tightly regulated'.
For private use forbidden but 'there are exeptions'

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 2 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Based on trias politcal yes you do.

If your country is corrupt then yes the people with money have power. Not every country is corrupt enough for people to really buy into it.

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 20 points 16 hours ago

Should be the ice agents too

[–] Gudl@feddit.org 11 points 18 hours ago

This is nice. Use their own weapons against these fuckers.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 390 points 1 day ago (15 children)

I get the impression that the cops are about to hate facial recognition all of the sudden, for no particular reason

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 167 points 1 day ago (25 children)

There's a reason ICE conceal their faces.

They know what they're doing is wrong and don't want to be held accountable if their fascist rule collapses.

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[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 67 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Cameras. They fucking hate body cameras. When it clears them of wrongdoing, they have the video ready. When they 'accidentally' shoot a guy nine times in the back of the head, video seems to be missing.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Ever wonder why the uh, default cop idle stance, the at ease stance.... is each hand up at it's shoulder, elbows bent, in front of chest?

Because that way they can very, very easily, and casually, bump their chestcam, obsure its view, muffle the sound.

"In all forms of strategy, it is necessary to maintain the combat stance in everyday life and to make your everyday stance your combat stance."

  • Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings.
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[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 65 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Lmao let's see how long it takes them to shut this down

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 3 points 13 hours ago

All they have to do is close the public sources of photo IDs. The tool itself isn't anything special, anybody familiar with the tech can code something like this up in less than a day, hell ChatGPT can probably vibe code it for you.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 121 points 1 day ago
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