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Google’s Gemini team is apparently sending out emails about an upcoming change to how Gemini interacts with apps on Android devices. The email informs users that, come July 7, 2025, Gemini will be able to “help you use Phone, Messages, WhatsApp, and Utilities on your phone, whether your Gemini Apps Activity is on or off.” Naturally, this has raised some privacy concerns among those who’ve received the email and those using the AI assistant on their Android devices.

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[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 41 points 19 hours ago (9 children)

I've been Android and Windows user for pretty much all of my life. Vehemently anti Apple because of the company and I've thought the products are trash. I've been 100% Linux for over a year and a half, and if this Gemini stuff comes through, I will not have an android phone either. I have a Pixel and my old still functional Pixel. I need to try installing grapheneOS or something else and trial it to see if it will work for me.

If Linux isn't an option for me in the future for whatever reason, I will be purchasing a Mac. I will never have a Windows machine for the rest of my life if I have any say in the matter, work being the obvious and uncontrollable exception. The fact that I'm even entertaining the idea of owning an iPhone or a Mac is really telling about how far Android and Windows and enshitified.

[–] pxlkttn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 14 hours ago

I've been using GrapheneOS for a couple months after having tested it on an older phone for a while. I'm really loving the level of control I have over what I give apps access to. If you have a spare Pixel to test on I definitely recommend it! I've been getting away from all Google stuff and finding free open source and self-hosted alternatives. I'm running in the opposite direction of all the AI and data-farming.

[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

Same, I've always been android and windows and heavily anti-apple

It's like people have completely forgotten what Apple was like before the iPhone

I don't know if I've ever really been pro-Microsoft, they had just been what gave me the freedom to get the job done. I even had a Windows CE phone back in the day, because it worked.

When Microsoft started monetizing every little thing and became outright hostile with its users is when I made the switch to Linux, the learning curve was steep but it didn't take very long to get a handle on it

Early on I think I made the mistake of trying to hurry to get a windows experience out of Linux when I should have started where I started with Microsoft, at the command prompt

I used DOS for a long time before Windows 3.1 was even on the scene. Thinking back, even when I was using Windows at first, I was always finding myself bringing up a command prompt to do things.

Linux brings back some of that nostalgia, but it is so incredibly more capable and customizable than windows

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 14 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

The user experience of GrapheneOS is basically the same as vanilla Android, except that you have more control (you can uninstall google apps, for example), but at the cost of a small minority of apps (banking ones, for example) not working (out of the box, sometimes at all). My banking app works, and a quick google search will tell you if yours does too. If your old pixel is not too old (4 is no longer supported, 8 definitely is, not sure abt in between), you should give it a go. I think you'll see it's not as big of a step as you maybe currently imagine.

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[–] Liberal_Ghost@lemmy.zip 8 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

I've been GrapheneOS on my pixel7pro since march and I have no complaints. Everything works, and I have control over what apps have access too. The only thing I will say is that if you need the camera to take gr3at photos, its not nearly so good with grapheneOS. I pretty much always have a mirroless camera with me anyway so it dosent bother me. I just use the phone camera for quick snap shots

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

If you want you can install Pixel Camera (official Google camera) from Aurora Store, and deny it Network permissions and any other permissions you want. It still works pretty well for point and shoot but I can't speak for every single feature. Also you can install simulated services that the Gcam requires to function, without having to run Play Services.

[–] Liberal_Ghost@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 hours ago

Good to know! Thanks!

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[–] FG_3479@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Gemini can be disabled. Uninstall/disable the Gemini app if your phone has it then go to Settings > Apps > Default apps > digital assistant > Google > none.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

I do have it disabled, but this article suggests that it will ignore that and it will be integrated in apps that I really really don't want it in. I could stomach it if it was search and other functionality like that only, or even if it 100% ran local with no ability to phone home and train on my data, but it doesn't. Not that it can be listening to calls, reading messages, etc, I'm definitely hard out.

[–] J52@lemmy.nz 1 points 9 hours ago

I've seen an article that describes opting out of the app integration as well (even though that by default it'll be on. There should be a class action against Google doing that! That said, I can't see Europe taking this as it is.)

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[–] weew@lemmy.ca 6 points 18 hours ago
[–] KuroiKaze@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

Apple isn't gonna have your back on this either you minds well run to foss forever if this is gonna be your Hill to die on

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[–] theherk@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago (8 children)

Not liking Apple for ethical reasons is one thing, but thinking they don’t make good products surprises me. I think the current generation of MacBooks are some of the best computers ever sold.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I should rephrase. They don't make cheap bad products. I think iOS, Mac OS, and their walled garden approach makes their hardware a bad product. Compound that with being exorbitantly expensive for what you get, and that's always been too much to overcome for me to support. Now they are/have becoming the less bad option.

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[–] kepix@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

this can be great for a disabled person i guess, i wonder if it works locally in a degoogled way

[–] BrutallyHonestPOS@lemm.ee 1 points 8 hours ago

probably not, unless you add certain services back onto your phone. currently, gemini needs the google workspace to do anything, even something like setting a timer or reminder. i obviously dont know what change they make with that announcement, but i dont think they would offer such a feature without sucking the user deep into the google service world.

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 32 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

Saying "You're not alone" is supposed to be a wholesome thing to show someone that you care. Instead, it's AI companies squeezing as much data out of customers and injecting as much AI into everything they can.

Society really took a wrong turn didn't it?

[–] Binturong@lemmy.ca 20 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

No, Google is using their influence and our reliance to steer society. Please don't forget how passive language enables the worst abusers.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 34 points 22 hours ago (9 children)

In the absence of being able to switch to Graphene (Don't own a pixel), I've done everything I can to replace Google Apps with FOSS alternatives, and disabled Google Assistant on my device entirely.

I know none of that will stop a determined Google eventually fucking with me, but at least I'm trying.

I'm so damned tired of the modern corporate world.

[–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I know that they might not be as secure as GrapheneOS, but you should totally give LineageOS or /e/OS a try, as they're both not limited to Pixels. I haven't tested them myself however, since I am a Graphene user. The most I ever tried with one of them was testing ROMs by installing LineageOS on my old Moto G7 play.

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

This has got to be a prank.

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[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 189 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (23 children)

Dear tech bros,

We, the people, don't want to use your AI shit. Please stop shoving it down our throats. Thank you.

Sincerely,

-The people

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 65 points 1 day ago

Hahahahhshahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahaha.

Sincerely,

Tech bros.

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[–] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 37 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Gemini depends on the Google app, disable it, and it dies.

Have you noticed how the Google app, the one that supposedly just does search and list news articles, has like 400 MB? Over time it accumulated 2GB cache... how?

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Dammit don't make me switch to apple phones, I hate apple. I hate Google too but FFS all you need to do is stay out of my way and the one thing you continuously do is stand in my way...

GTFO of my way! Piss off with that AI crap that nobody asked for

[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 7 points 18 hours ago

Apple is pushing AI even for their Mac lineup. Apple is a US company and had to be forced to allow Sideloading in select regions. Jumping to another US company seems like a lateral move.

Moving to dumb phones or custom ROMs is the best alternative available.

[–] Griffus@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 day ago (8 children)

An ungoogled android variant has to be a lot lesser of an evil, no?

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[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 210 points 1 day ago (48 children)

Linux has become good enough to replace desktop operating systems.

Now, we are back at square one. I’ll be the first to inaccurately declare, “This will be the year of the Linux phone.”

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 42 points 1 day ago

"We spent a lot of money on this, so you're going to have it."

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Remember when Google+ was the future?

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 14 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I wish it had been. Circles were so much better than FB groups etc

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[–] higgsboson@dubvee.org 51 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

I agree it would be concerning if I allowed Gemini access to my phone. Fuck that. This shit is exactly why I am on GrapheneOS.

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