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[–] yarr@feddit.nl 13 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

This is one of the reason that the USA being heavy handed with Chinese is going to bite us in the ass. While in the USA, we bury our heads in the sand and GM, Tesla and etc. all crank out $95,000 giant trucks/SUVs, some companies in China are making very, very affordable vehicles. These aren't necessarily garbage either -- there's models available for almost any price point.

What WOULD be really smart and forward thinking is if in the USA, the domestic brands also make some affordable models to get EV more popular. However, they are addicted to fat profit margins, and thanks to all the protectionism, they don't need to worry about offshore models being "better".

While other nations either develop and/or import affordable EVs, we're effectively banning them. This is all going to end up with a giant wake up call for American auto-manufacturers when the protections/tariffs are ultimately lifted and they HAVE to compete.

I think it would be great if the tariffs came with huge incentives for domestic manufacturers and motivated them to be competitive. Instead, it's just letting them segment the market for a few years and make a killing. Who loses? The people...

[–] weew@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 hours ago

These cars are passing EU safety tests which are generally more demanding than the USA.

They are definitely getting good, fast.

[–] immutable@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 hours ago

Not just people, the economy will end up paying the price.

Tariffs have horrible second order effects.

Every companies outputs is some other companies inputs.

American companies end up locked out of more affordable vehicles as inputs. That cost then gets baked into its output, which is some other company’s input. Then just keep following that chain.

The best broad blanket tariffs can hope to do is trade long term competitiveness for some short term price increase.

Americans will wonder why other nations eat our lunch in the coming decades. Well that foreign company could buy the cheaper machine to produce the widget, their raw materials cost less to deliver because the transit company that ships it in charges a better rate because they have lower vehicle overhead. Since they have 2 dozen suppliers for their components both foreign and domestic they are forced to compete on quality and price.

American companies will become even more bloated and inefficient

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 hours ago

This is the real reason for tarrifs. Forcing citizens into paying ridiculous prices so biliionares can circle jerk about how much more power they can get. They're scourges and bottomless voids of resources and misery.

[–] CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

It was just like what happened to the American auto industry before. Instead of listening to the market, we tell the market what they should buy.

We are losing our edge. People don't want expensive cars. They want affordable, reliable cars. It was just like earlier Japanese cars. Japan is losing their edge too.

Honda is too unreliable. I won't buy Honda again.

[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

and the people rejoice

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Did not zee this happening.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 12 hours ago
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 38 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Even before the current political situation I wouldn't have bought a Tesla. They have a documented quality problem and not very good customer service at least outside of the US.

Why would I buy a car that is not only more likely than most to break but when it does break it's hard to get fixed. Spare parts are notoriously hard to get hold of and you usually have to deal with Tesla directly which is a problem because they don't have a lot of dealerships in the UK. Also they won't come to you, so if your car won't start you have to arrange a pickup.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 12 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

They have terrible customer service in the US too. I think it's their business model: find people who enjoy being treated like an asshole and sell them overpriced shit.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

So like Apple but more expensive

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 hours ago

Data published Wednesday by ACEA found that Tesla’s car sales in the European Union, Britain and the European Free Trade Association fell to 13,863 units in May, down 27.9% year on year.

Tesla’s European market share also dropped to 1.2% from 1.8% in May 2024.

European/other than China EV makers also did well, that this and other headlines this year, intentionally obfuscate. The combination of both above numbers means overall EV growth was about 25%. 93% is non US/China.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

I used to like and look up to SpaceX for the interesting stuff that they build,

but nowadays i don't care anymore. The company can fail for all i care. Musk spoiled it.

The tipping point, for me personally, was when Musk seriously threatened to slash public spending in February this year. It shows a clear disrespect to the people, and frankly, a sociopathic attitude.

Musk had everything, lots of money, lots of fame, lots of influence, but he threw it all away when he decided to threaten the wellbeing and lifelyhood of a lot of people just so that rich assholes can make an extra buck through tax cuts.

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 hours ago

He's basically gutting NASA so it can be reduced to a taxpayer-funded corporate subsidy for greedy billionaires and giant corps. They're killing everyone's dreams and inspiration.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 20 points 16 hours ago (6 children)

SpaceX should be nationalized. We paid for it, it's ours.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 14 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I don't know why you didn't just fund NASA properly.

[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Government agencies can't bribe as good. Our politicians are whipped dogs who sell the free world for less than an F-150 a year in kickbacks.

[–] VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 9 hours ago

For those maybe blissfully ignorant of car culture that's an F-150 (the grocery getter for fragile egos) oversized pickup truck , and not some fighter jet.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 hours ago

Sure, just let me change the payee on this check

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 10 points 16 hours ago

Agreed. This system of giving out money and getting what we paid for sold back to us is fucking dumb.

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[–] bluedye@lemm.ee 18 points 18 hours ago

Better super late than never.

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[–] 3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 16 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Here in the UK Musk is just seen as an idiot. Some decent European EV solutions coming along but the Chinese cars are so much better value than Tesla OR the main European makes. Couldn't happen to a nicer megalomaniac and as a plus I love seeing the monthly SpaceX explosions

[–] AlexLost@lemm.ee 2 points 12 hours ago

It's not just the UK that sees his as an idiot. The world sees him this way, and that's because he is one. Also an egomaniac.

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