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Agencies tout very high success rates, but some experts compare it to “crime control theatre”

On Sunday, March 22 of this year, a large swath of the population in Quebec was woken up at 4:25 a.m. as cellphones lit up and screamed. An Amber alert had been broadcast. Less than four hours later, the two missing children were thankfully found, unharmed, and the alert was cancelled.

Amber alerts cast wide nets in an effort to find abducted children and teenagers, but each time one is transmitted in Canada, we go through a predictable cycle. Many complain that these alerts cannot be turned off or muted, even in sleep mode, and that waking people up in the middle of the night to help them find a specific car that was last spotted 200 kilometres away is unnecessarily disruptive—with some even calling 911 to complain. Meanwhile, law enforcement officials remind us through the media that these alerts are only used when necessary and that they save lives.

Any subject tied to the safety of children is bound to evoke the deepest emotions. In fact, the crime that led to the creation of Amber alerts—and to their name—was monstrous enough that it’s no wonder it rallied influential people into building a system that could potentially prevent this kind of crime.

But warranted emotions aside, do Amber alerts even work? What little data we do have point to a system that has likely been oversold to us.

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Problem 1: They make the same DTMF tones that severe weather alerts do. That particular tone should mean "Immediate risk to YOUR life" such as a flash flood, severe thunderstorm or tornado. Using the same tone for amber alerts (or silver alerts, for missing old people) is just crying wolf. How many people are going to go "FOR FUCK'S SAKE I'M IN BED I'M NOT JOINING A MANHUNT" and mute such an alert without reading it, and then it's gonna be about a tornado?

Side problem: I learned something from Technology Connections a month or two ago that I've known since I was four. Almost all fire alarms sound a cadence of three short bursts. When I was in kindergarten, our school used the normal bells for the emergency alarm system, we were taught that groups of 3 short bursts on the bell was the fire alarm, but they taught it as if that's how it works at this school and not universally. I bet the alert noises your phone makes, you know the government screeches? I bet those carry meaning they haven't even tried to teach the public, in either the exact tone or beep sequence.

Problem 2: It seems to assume that every adult in half a state is going to drop what they're doing and fod walk the world looking for this kid (or geezer). Almost no one is, in large part because no one has been trained as to how. I guess the idea is you're supposed to be out driving, get that alert, remember the details including the license plate number of the vehicle, and then call 911. Has that ever even once happened? Especially since:

Problem 3: The message isn't persistent or retrievable. It's a push notification. If you dismiss it, possibly to get it to stop making noise so you can concentrate on reading it, it vanishes. There's no message history to find it in, no real way to go "Hey wait a second, is that the car the amber alert was talking about?" 22 minutes later.

It does kind of come off as a very political "I am assembling a task force to create a solution to these dastardly crimes" solution.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 2 days ago

And number 4, I do not need to be sent an amber alert from two counties over. And because they're usually not nearby, they're super annoying, and tend to contain very little information that I cannot retrieve...

I just dismiss them. I don't know all the car models, and I'm going to forget the color the moment I stop reading it

What they should do is make them undismissable notifications with a short unique chime, that way they can also dismiss them when they're no longer active

And only show them if you're in a certain geofence that could be expanded over time... If I know a kid is missing down the street, I'd actually take a look around. If it stays to for more than a few minutes, I might look up the model of the car and keep an eye out

And if they sent a pic of that model of the car, I might recognize it

[–] WesternInfidels@feddit.online 40 points 4 days ago (4 children)

The only members of the public who might reasonably be expected to offer some help finding a license plate are driving, and aren't supposed to be messing around with phones.

This built-in contradiction has always bothered me.

These days there are ALPR cameras everywhere, and it's very hard to imagine John Q. Public is going to have a hot tip before our dystopian AI panopticon does. It has seemed obvious to me that, whatever their intention, the Amber alerts primarily function as copaganda: Persuading us that we live in a dangerous, unpredictable world, and that only the police can save us. By asking us for help locating license plates, while we're at home asleep at 3AM.

[–] Ronguaki@lemmus.org 11 points 4 days ago

Don't amber alerts predate license plate cameras getting popularized by a little bit? Like mid 1990s, so there would have been a decent window before ALPR cameras really took up enough real estate to be useful

[–] tmyakal@infosec.pub 9 points 4 days ago

While I mostly agree with you, it is worth noting that vehicles can (and often do) have passengers accompanying a driver. They would be free to mess around on their phones when the alert goes out.

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Or you know you could safely pull to the side and call it in.

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[–] MSids@lemmy.world 72 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I live in New Hampshire and Maine was so terrible with their amber/safety alerts that I shut them off entirely on my phone. I remember getting woken up at 2 or 3am for an abducted child, they knew it was a parent. Later they sent out an ‘extreme’ (whatever the highest level is) threat to human life after a road rage incident where 1 guy shot another guy at an intersection. I was 150 miles away. That is a heck of a radius to set for one guy with a pistol. They ought to save extreme for when a meteor is headed for us or something.

[–] Zarobi@aussie.zone 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sounds like the system needs tweaking to be less disruptive. Maybe with some actual rules on usage and reach? Especially restrictions on alerts during sleeping hours

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Nobody wants to be on the receiving end of "WELL WHY DIDN'T THEY ISSUE AN AMBER ALERT???" when a kid is found dead.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 3 days ago

this kinda reminds me of a security back and forth I had recently and tech security things in general. You get the technically this can be used like this and as you say no one wants to be the one against it if an incident ever happens.

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[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago (2 children)

My main issue with Amber Alerts is that they're not mutable. If my phone is screaming at me, I'm going to hit mute before reading what's on the phone. When I hit mute, the alert is gone. It's simply nowhere to be found. I can't read it in my notifications panel. It's gone.

It needs to show up as both an alert AND a notification. It's crazy that this isn't standard (in android, at least).

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I agree. One of the most frustrating things about Amber alerts is the fact that you can't easily look at the alert after it's been dismissed. I found out there is a way to find the alert but it's not simple.

As to the article. In my opinion if Amber alerts save just one child a year they're worth having.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You can actually disable them on grapheneOS. I personally have most categories on except for Amber alert testing messages

[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I didn't mean I wanted them off, I just wanted to be able to tell my phone to stop yelling at me and still read the alert.

You can disable "always alert at full volume" so they respect volume and do not disturb but it states it will still do full volume for the most severe alert. I hope that's for stuff like cat 5 hurricane headed your way and not being on the lookout for an elderly person

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 48 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Shut mine off the first time it warned me in the middle of the night about something happening 400 miles away.

Police gotta stop crying wolf.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Police gotta stop crying wolf.

Lol reminds me of when Texas had a blue alert.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Reminds me of 2001 to 2008 when we had national "terror alerts" each day

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[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 days ago (2 children)

As per the article, in Canada, Amber Alerts are sent at the top level. Meaning even if your phone lets you set different sounds for different levels of government alert, Amber Alerts are sent at the "Your life is in imminent danger if you don't take immediate action" level every time.

I "hacked" my phone to disable the system, then downloaded an app that sends me equivalent notifications with the sound effects of my choosing.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Could you tell us what that app is?

And yes, the fact that they blast out amber alerts at the same level as "imminent nuclear attack" is unbelievably stupid. There's no justification for it whatsoever.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The app's called Alertable! I don't know if it has Amber Alerts and stuff, but it gives me the alerts that I want.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago

Awesome, thank you

[–] Zeddex@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

This must depend on your phone, carrier, province/territory or some combination. I 100% don't need to hack my phone to disable alerts or disable allowing it to bypass do not disturb. I'm also in Canada.

Stock Galaxy Z fold 5. No custom OS or anything on Rogers.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, on my old Samsung, I was able to disable alerts, make it respect DND, etc. But on my Pixel, I'm not.

It's unfortunate because there are all kinds of settings to customize the alerts on my Pixel, but it's designed for the system to be used as intended.

The Pixel doesn't allow you to change or turn off the Presidential alerts (aka. "Your life is in immediate danger"), but that's what ALL alerts are sent as in Canada.

It's definitely your phone, possibly your carrier to some extent, and almost definitely not your province/territory (since the system is configured nationally).

[–] Zeddex@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago

Huh. That's really weird because there are people replying to this post saying they can do it with Pixel devices. I looked through my alert history and the last time I got an AMBER alert was almost a year ago so I can't really say it respects DND and all that.

[–] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Í live in Fort Worth, why the hell do I get amber alerts for Houston!? That's a 6 hour drive at least..

[–] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

I live in Anchorage, AK. Why do I get Amber Alerts for Barrow. They're 900 miles away, not on the road system, and if the kidnapper and victim fled by any means other than plane they're likely dead.

As in the kind of dead where a paleontologist will write a paper about finding a tiny piece of their mangled remains in a pile of fossilized polar bear shit a millennia from now.

Just about every Amber alert I've ever gotten has been that kind of utterly useless.

[–] jimerson@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

"Here's Jose Flanders!"

"Buenos ding dong diddly Diaz senor!"

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[–] bluGill@fedia.io 14 points 4 days ago

I haven't got an amber alert in a long time. Probably because the first woke everyone up at two AM. Next morning the child was found safe with the parent who had legal custody the whole time. Now they have so many checks in place that the alerts are almost never worth sending

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Luckily the alerts can be turned off in the US. I don't want to be woken up for something hundreds of miles away.

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[–] GarboDog@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Yes for other children, it didn’t for us (but wasn’t amber alert that failed though, it was failure of police investigation.)

Anywho if you get an Amber alert, see a child/person in severe distress. Reach out or at least take note of what’s going on. It’s important.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago

Some regions have stopped observing standard time because of the accident risk with so many drivers, surgeons, and heavy equipment operators, for instance, working on a circadian rhythm issue. Yet, we cause sleep deprivation to a huge number of people more often each year with little concrete benefit we can tie causally to the amber alerts.

Whom do we sue for loved ones injured by amber alerts and sleep-deprivation?

[–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 4 points 4 days ago (12 children)

Now i see why the uk got one about not lighting barbeques, they were copying all of you.

I turned it off

[–] hawgietonight@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

In Spain some of us got an alert for the solar eclipse, I kid you not. And the worst part is that with the loud beeping your first reaction is to turn it off... and by doing that you dismiss the message, so it is useless as fuck. Asking around somebody sent me a screenshot. I couldn't believe this was used for something that stupid.

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