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[–] MushuChupacabra@piefed.world 43 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Understood.

Never fly Delta.

[–] ItsNotImportant24@lemmy.ml 15 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Problem is, they're all going to do it at some point. Its clear this type of shit is becoming the norm with every. single. corporation.

[–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 9 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

But if we all abandon Delta and they get screwed, it'll restore some much-deserved fear to the other airlines.

[–] ItsNotImportant24@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 hours ago

Oh, I agree, boycott, protest, etc as much as possible. I was just stating how shitty all of them are getting more and more.

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[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 hours ago

that's fine, I'll just stop flying. plenty for me to do that doesn't require it.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Exploding spectacularly in Delta's face in 3, 2, 1...

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago (9 children)

Is it? Don't the websites already look at if you've visited before and other things to offer different pricing? And people have griped about it but has anything been done?

It should explode, I just don't think it is or will.

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[–] aurellence@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Sounds like another good reason to take a train instead.

[–] invertedspear@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Phoenix is #5 in ranking by population. Zero passenger trains besides local light rail.

This country needs to push in high speed rail, but “ThAtS sOcIaLiSm”

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[–] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

I don't have all week.

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[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 28 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

You don't have laws against selling the same product at different prices in the US? 😕😔

[–] Sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works 34 points 10 hours ago

It would not surprise me if we didn't, but even if we did it doesn't matter anymore. Rules are for the proles, not the parasite class.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 17 points 9 hours ago

Given the US, I'd bet 20 states say that it's illegal (but can't seem to enforce that unless one of them is New York or California), 20 states say that it's specifically legal (including Texas and Florida), and the remainder either haven't made up their minds yet or no one cares what they think because they don't have the population or economic clout to make anyone listen.

[–] datrenaissancebro@lemmy.today 4 points 8 hours ago

The US is pro making things as hospitable for corporations as possible, while making them as inhospitable for citizens as they will tolerate. And it turns out, Americans can tolerate a LOT.

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[–] Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 27 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

hey other human, how did you pay? oh shit... I. being fucked

hi I'd like to csncel my ticket because you're a corrupt peice of shit.

[–] NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 19 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

At least in the US, you have a very narrow window to cancel and then you're stuck with it, unless you pay a huge premium for a refundable ticket. But I agree, practically-speaking, the only solution in a late-stage capitalist marketplace is to create some crowdsourced pricing information to identify pricing outliers. Which, truly, isn't a good solution.

If we had a functional government, this would be regulated/prohibited on an emergency basis, since in theory government is supposed to represent people and not corporations. Unfortunately, in 2026, we're livestock to herd and fleece.

[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 19 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Well whatever you do dont go to https://skiplagged.com/. They help people with the unethical practice of skip lagging (buying a ticket with a layover and never jumping on connection), which robs these struggling airlines of honestly earned profits.

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I’m still waiting on $500 in refunds from when THE AIRLINES THEMSELVES canceled my fucking flights in early 2020. I didn’t reschedule with them — they couldn’t get me where I needed to be in time. Apparently they were allowed to cancel my flight and demand I reschedule everyone’s itinerary for whatever they’re able to support, holding my money hostage.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Why haven't you filed a complaint with the FAA or FTC or whoever yet? Or a chargeback with your bank?

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[–] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 15 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

I grew up in the 1970s air travel wasn't cheap but it was accessible. You were treated well. I (6 at the time) got to go to the cabin and stood right there between pilot and co pilot ... Captain gave me a metal chrome pair of wings (pin with logo and I think a plane) .... I was flabbergasted... Walked guided by the stewardess silently to my seat. There was courtesy and the mindset during those years and up to maybe late 80s was "the customer is our greatest asset". Now profit is the greatest asset and the customer is in the way. No wonder we all go around pissed off. Bags were FREE UNTIL 9/11 and they said we will only charge temporarily until the crisis is over. Asshats and liars.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

If you're a kid, you can still do those things, if you ask nicely (and the crew are able to accommodate you).

If you're not a kid, ask a Delta crewmember about the trading cards.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Can confirm, got the reading cards. I'm a grown ass man.

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[–] mrmisses@lemmy.world 20 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

They also work with ICE, in case you didn't hate them enough

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Who doesn't work with ICE, at this point?

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 hours ago

Lots of people. Most people, I'd say

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[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

okay so I guess I'm not flying Delta

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Delta is just the first to say it out loud.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 hours ago

There are two acceptable ways to leverage technology (including AI) to increase profits: one is to maintain/decrease operational costs while maintaining service (this means enhancing existing delivery, not replacing humans with AI), and the other is improving service without increasing costs.

Everyone who goes for options 3 and 4 (replacing employees with automation and automating fleecing your customers) is after quarterly earnings at the expense of long term company profitability. This is essentially the VC vampire model, and companies rarely survive it for more than a decade.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

The problem here is that it's also going to make your pricing uncompetitive.

You can convert consumer surplus to supplier surplus by using price discrimination.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_surplus

  • Consumer surplus, or consumers' surplus, is the monetary gain obtained by consumers because they are able to purchase a product for a price that is less than the highest price that they would be willing to pay.

  • Producer surplus, or producers' surplus, is the amount that producers benefit by selling at a market price that is higher than the least that they would be willing to sell for; this is roughly equal to profit (since producers are not normally willing to sell at a loss and are normally indifferent to selling at a break-even price).[1][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination

Price discrimination, known also by several other names, is a microeconomic pricing strategy whereby identical or largely similar goods or services are sold at different prices by the same provider to different buyers, based on which market segment they are perceived to be part of.[1][2][3] Price discrimination is distinguished from product differentiation by the difference in production cost for the differently priced products involved in the latter strategy.[3] Price discrimination essentially relies on the variation in customers' willingness to pay[2][3][4] and in the elasticity of their demand. For price discrimination to succeed, a seller must have market power, such as a dominant market share, product uniqueness, sole pricing power, etc.[5]

But in a competitive market, normally, that won't work, because you require monopoly power to make it work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly

A monopoly (from Greek μόνος, mónos, 'single, alone' and πωλεῖν, pōleîn, 'to sell') is a market in which one person or company is the only supplier of a particular good or service.[1] A monopoly is characterized by a lack of economic competition to produce a particular thing, a lack of viable substitute goods, and the possibility of a high monopoly price well above the seller's marginal cost that leads to a high monopoly profit.[2]

  • Price discrimination: A monopolist can change the price or quantity of the product. They sell higher quantities at a lower price in a very elastic market, and sell lower quantities at a higher price in a less elastic market.

And the airline industry---at least in the US, and not saying that that is the case everywhere in the world---is a competitive one.

Warren Buffet has been a pretty prominent voice critical of airlines in the US as an industry; they aren't very profitable.

searches

https://jimmysjournal.substack.com/p/why-buffett-hates-airlines-a-case

For decades, Warren Buffett’s distaste for airline stocks has puzzled many investors.

How could a business so essential to global commerce, tourism, and modern life be so unattractive to one of the world’s most celebrated capital allocators?

The airline industry is, unfortunately, a textbook example of a structurally unattractive sector:

  • Rivalry Among Existing Competitors: Intense. Price wars are common. Differentiation is minimal. Customers view seats as commodities, and loyalty programs offer diminishing returns.

  • Threat of New Entrants: Moderate to high. While aircraft procurement and regulatory hurdles present barriers, the proliferation of low-cost carriers has shown that entry is possible - often with disruptive effects.

  • Bargaining Power of Suppliers: High. Aircraft and engine manufacturers (Airbus, Boeing, GE, Rolls-Royce) operate as oligopolies. Airports and labor unions also exert significant leverage.

  • Bargaining Power of Buyers: High. With near-zero switching costs, passengers chase the lowest fare. Online aggregators have further commoditized the booking process.

  • Threat of Substitutes: Medium. Alternatives like high-speed rail (Europe, China) or videoconferencing (post-COVID) are becoming more viable.

Each of these forces squeezes margins. Together, they form a gauntlet that makes sustainable value creation exceedingly rare.

The airline industry has a long and notorious history of earning ROICs at or below WACC.

In other words, despite growing revenues and essential services, the industry has historically destroyed shareholder value. From 1963 to 2023, U.S. airlines rarely posted positive ROIC-WACC spreads. This isn’t just a cyclical issue - it’s structural.

Buffett never bet against airplanes - he bet against the economics of the airline business.

And over the long run, he was right.

Delta might say "okay, Person X has the ability and willingness to pay more for a product that I offer, so I'll charge more".

The problem is that that makes it very easy for the airline down the street to take their business by simply not charging that much.

And while there is some overhead associated with comparing prices, and customers will place some value on the time they spend comparing prices, there are a number of well-established existing services to do price comparisons between airlines, like Travelocity and Orbitz, which make this pretty quick and easy.

Like, I don't think that the limiting factor on an airline doing personalized pricing is likely a lack of having a model that can sufficiently-accurately predict the price an individual is willing to pay, which is what AI or other computer modeling would provide. Rather, it's the presence of a competitive market.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Rather, it’s the presence of a competitive market.

Competitive markets are hated by private business owners

[–] tal@lemmy.today 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Sure. Everyone would prefer to have a monopoly that they control, given the option (though to avoid monopolies everywhere other than that). One generally doesn't get the option to exclude other parties from competing with themselves, though.

If Delta or any other airline had the option, they'd rather be the only airline. But...here we are.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

Add this to the list of reasons why I drive instead of fly.

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