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Philips shouldn't exist anymore. Torx plus is the champ (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) by HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/memes@sopuli.xyz

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[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 44 minutes ago (2 children)

Funny thing is, torx was invented by apple out of greed so no one could open their devices. Turns out it's the best system, as it has the highest force distribution possible. It's the best screw system out there, so apple actually invented something good. Yet still they did it out of greed. After many got torx bits, they added a pin in the middle to make sure everyone's bits didn't fit anymore. This proves apple is, even though they invented the best screw system out there, still a shitty company.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 13 minutes ago

Yes, Apple, a company founded in 1976, invented torx in 1967.

You may be thinking of Apple's Pentalobe screws, which are inferior to torx and have no real business existing.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 31 minutes ago

Americans will do anything to avoid admitting Robertson was earlier, better, and easier to make.

[–] plateee@piefed.social 43 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

HA! Amateurs.

[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 3 points 57 minutes ago

Looks like the next guys problem.

[–] needanke@feddit.org 2 points 44 minutes ago (1 children)

Is that how drillbits are born?

[–] Bonus@sopuli.xyz 3 points 40 minutes ago

*shorn

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Because Philips screws were supposed to cam out, to stop overtightening on airplanes.

Maybe we shouldn't use Philips screws for non-aviation purposes.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 4 points 49 minutes ago

I've read this was the justification after the fact.

https://build-construct.com/tools-and-equipment/phillips-screws-and-cam-out-what-the-original-patent-actually-says/

[–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 1 points 33 minutes ago

The only reason they’re so common is because of Henry Ford. Ford wanted Robertson screws, but Ford also wanted to make his own screws in-house. Robertson wouldn’t license them, Philips would, the rest is history. Robertson screws are much more common than Philips up in Canada (where they’re from).

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Torx is great until you can’t really see the bolt in question and think you have the right bit but actually it’s slightly small and rounds off the bolt entirely.

It is a good idea in general though.

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago (10 children)

As someone who has spent far more time than I want to think about removing screws and bolts that other people fucked, Robertson is the second most popular fastener to get brought to me with Torx in hot pursuit.

Philips head screws that are messed up come in two types. Soft cheese metal versions and the insidious Japanese style that are just ever sooo slightly different and require their own special driver. And most of you can't tell the difference or even care.

Plus, Y'all buy cheap ass "turn screws" as the British used to call them. When you buy dollar store quality tools you deserve what you get and I don't feel sorry for you.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

Philips and JIS are interchangeable; it’s Pozi that’s not.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 1 points 45 minutes ago

So, I wanted to go at the guy for not reading your article but in reading it myself I did find possibly missing something. Like, they talk about them fitting within one another but then show that there are definitely differences. Maybe it’s a case of the same number screwdriver not being equal but +/- 1 number gets you back on track, I dunno.

The article definitely isn’t fully selling me on what they’re saying, though. I own a 1986 Ninja 1000 and have done extensive work to it(engine in half, whole bike in pieces at one point) and there was definitely something up with the bolts. I replaced them all with new button-head and socket-head hex bolts and life was much easier.

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Tell that to guys with Japanese motorcycles. I still get people bringing me engine parts to remove the messed up screws. It costs real money to get me to fixture those parts in my mill and indicate the hole in and then very carefully remove your stupid.

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[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Torx plus is different than torx in that the tips are thicker which makes the rounding off much harder to do

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

But still not impossible. Realize the incompetence of most people.

[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 15 points 3 hours ago

Robertson is the supreme screw!

[–] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

At least you didn't leave the toolkit in the rain and almost burn the house down by leaving the soldering iron plugged in for a week.

Yes, I'm still alive.

And yes, I used a Phillips screwdriver in JIS and vice versa multiple times.

[–] brisk@aussie.zone 5 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

And yes, I used a Phillips screwdriver in JIS and vice versa multiple times.

That's totally fine actually

[–] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago

Our new screwdrivers have Phillips tips that meet JIS standards

New; not 40 years old. But I mostly use my relatively new toolkit now, so I'm pretty much fine.

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[–] Heikki2@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I read that back in the day when mechinised fastening was needed they didn't have a way to track the torque on screws. So rather than have the machine over tighten and break the head off the screw, the Philips head would fail first keeping the screw in place

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