HA! Amateurs.
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Torx is great until you can’t really see the bolt in question and think you have the right bit but actually it’s slightly small and rounds off the bolt entirely.
It is a good idea in general though.
As someone who has spent far more time than I want to think about removing screws and bolts that other people fucked, Robertson is the second most popular fastener to get brought to me with Torx in hot pursuit.
Philips head screws that are messed up come in two types. Soft cheese metal versions and the insidious Japanese style that are just ever sooo slightly different and require their own special driver. And most of you can't tell the difference or even care.
Plus, Y'all buy cheap ass "turn screws" as the British used to call them. When you buy dollar store quality tools you deserve what you get and I don't feel sorry for you.
Torx plus is different than torx in that the tips are thicker which makes the rounding off much harder to do
But still not impossible. Realize the incompetence of most people.
Because Philips screws were supposed to cam out, to stop overtightening on airplanes.
Maybe we shouldn't use Philips screws for non-aviation purposes.
Robertson is the supreme screw!
I read that back in the day when mechinised fastening was needed they didn't have a way to track the torque on screws. So rather than have the machine over tighten and break the head off the screw, the Philips head would fail first keeping the screw in place
At least you didn't leave the toolkit in the rain and almost burn the house down by leaving the soldering iron plugged in for a week.
Yes, I'm still alive.
And yes, I used a Phillips screwdriver in JIS and vice versa multiple times.
And yes, I used a Phillips screwdriver in JIS and vice versa multiple times.
Our new screwdrivers have Phillips tips that meet JIS standards
New; not 40 years old. But I mostly use my relatively new toolkit now, so I'm pretty much fine.
Why are they called after the brand of a kitchen blender, anyway? I call it a "plus head"
Newer drive heads have been invented since then
Use better screws, don't screw around.
I was going to say "don't screw up".
Or the right size screwdriver and apply force down onto the screw as you turn
Quit screwing around! You all screw around too much!
Have you been to a lot of hardware stores with different grades of every of the 257 different types and sizes and thicknesses they carry?
Years ago when working in a boat shop at a “yachting center” aka “dudes with 20’ sailboats they’ve spent more effort repairing than their marriage” and I had a full wall of hardware.
An old school wooden hardware shelf.
My favorite thing ever in my whole life was being Willy wonka with fasteners and my rolly ladder
I'll get the torx universal wood and stone ones, thanks.
better screws are torx
Torx often ends up being the worst of both worlds imo. It grabs too hard and you can easily overdrive it and strip the hole in some material. And you can also still easily strip the head if you don't get the bit seated all the way. I think the Robinson combo head is the best all around, since you have a Robinson bit for high torque applications and a Phillips bit for low torque and slightly off axis work. And then the "ecx" bit for "I'm going to friction weld this terminal screw shut" applications.
Nah, Robertson. Torx is designed to destroy bits.
Material matters, if you use poorly made screws that's when the head gets blunted.
Philips screws are intentionally made to strip though. Even the best material can't fully offset bad design.
Philips heads are designed to intentionally cam over and limit torque, if you’re using the correct screwdriver that is quite a lot of torque. They certainly have a usecase, but that isn’t anywhere near me. I only use torx.
I fucking hate torx. The bits snap too often because they don’t cam out. Get some arm strength and keep your bit straight and phillips works great
Torx drivers are cheap and rubbish, but ooh boy, Philips is the worst.
Check out the Toque Test Channel on Torx drivers. The companies have different patterns for their heads with different advantages and disadvantages.
Philips is bad. Pozi-Drive screw with Philips head is awful.
Finally! Somebody who's not a simp for Robertson.
Robertson is great though
Why?
Robertson is clearly superior. You're not going to strip that, and it holds onto the screw better.
Yeah. Robertson plus an impact drill is some of the most fun screwing around one can do that doesn’t involve OP’s mom.
JIS!!!
And when some person inevitably uses a phillips on it, it will look like the picture above.
Why does this exist. Nobody has the driver for it. I could barely find a full size torx I needed for my car.
Alternatively everyone has the driver for it...
Given they are eventually putting the furniture together. It's just they never get it apart but frankly that's a problem for future me
JIS is only good for being cheap, and only works if you're a precision robot. You lose the autocentering and overtorque protection of Phillips, without gaining any of the advantages of Torx. (Phillips has overtorque protection in the sense that your tool doesn't break, the screw does; which doesn't matter if you don't need to unscrew it.)
I thought the whole “JIS is different from Phillips” thing was a misunderstanding and JIS is just a type of Phillips or something and it and “regular” Phillips are more or less compatible
Edit I found this: https://www.tekton.com/blog/jis-vs-phillips-screwdriver-tip-geometry-and-fastener-compatibility
The last time this thread came up there were some convincing comments suggesting that the over torque protection for philips was not an intended feature.