Programmer Humor

I believe this discussion is important, just the other day I was sad about people colluding inference and training like if both were having the same carbon footprint. I am not defending Sam Altman or anyone else. But we need to look at the facts for what they're. Running a quantized local model, accepting latency and all, can make your use of LLMs as low as playing video games. I already said that in the past, and I only got downvoted. Maybe because everyone is hurt bout this technology, which is having detrimental consequences. I am not saying there aren't any problems... but I am accepting the world for what it is, as GPT4 has said ~3 years ago: confetti has left the cannon.

So, we need to deal with this reality. The training done on data like open source code, or even copyrighted materials, will always be a debt.

Just like colonialism. And yet, we are not hating each other for "simple" stuff like eating chocolate or drinking coffee which is most often than not unethically sourced. OR the minerals that make our electronic devices..

Again, it's not that I am vouching to ignore the issues. But I rather have us take the conversation as a debate or dilemma. Not just start attacking one another.

This all seems like that caricature of a vegan that hates the vegetarians for eating some cheese.

Look at the common ground. Here, on lemmy, more often than anywhere else, we have a big chunk of values and ethics in common.

These are sloppy & ugly, they're tools of cowards

It's a tool like any other. It can be used in a destructive and immoral manner or used where it works to improve the lives of people. Think about the alpha fold project and other such use cases.

silicon valley has constantly sold scams to investors promising massive changes to our world, but they always end up just forced upon us and then we have to deal with the fallout. AI is overwhelmingly mid at most things and needs to be checked by people constantly to make sure its correct. I'm sure in a future where we have the infrastructure to handle it, and its outside of private hands it might have a use similar to other machines like the mechanical loom.

But we constantly see AI's shortcomings because there's a kind of "oversell" going on that has happened with most silicon valley tech. Of course people are against it, they witness it failing to meet minimum standards constantly in fields where its not ever going to excel, AND it is being used as an excuse to remove people from their jobs often increasing workload for the rest.

Its application is widely ineffective, needs double checking, fails to meet standards, or doubles work time just to fix when issues occur. Even in terms of "quality being subjective" people who actually care about the mediums do not like the intrusion of AI and can detect its use easily, musicians for music or artists for art, translation for translators, etc.

In China its utilized without fear of people losing their job, and often at the workers discretion. It's something utilized by the worker and not competing against the workers rights.

Basically within capitalism it is functioning not as a tool for workers, but often as a competitor for workers. Until this contradiction is changed or resolved you will never get mass acceptance of AI. The statement that machines are evil or not depending on the handler rings more true. But also not every technological "advancement" finds a place in our world naturally and its possible the resolution for this contradiction is simply nobody using it anymore. It could be a steam engine in ancient greece, or it could be the radioactive hair dryer. A proper analysis of the contractions of AI should be used to truly understand its place.

Batman the radlib

Replace with him breaking a brain and you have me

this is cap. i will continue to use chinese ai and benefit from it. this sounds like blue maga panic lol