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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 84 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

I'm sure most people are aware that the difference in danger is quite large but maybe not just how absurdly large.

Sharks kill about 10 people per year.

For cars the number is 1,670,000 deaths. Every year.

As a point of comparison, in 2025, about 250k people were killed in armed conflicts, which was the highest number in decades.

A lot of people think it's weird to hate cars as much as I do. But they are quantitatively in a similar category as the Holocaust in terms of how many people they kill. From the perspective, it seems a bit crazy not to hate them.

Sources: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0966692324000267 https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/shark-attacks/yearly-worldwide-summary/ https://www.npr.org/2026/06/09/nx-s1-5850355/data-highest-conflicts-iran-israel-ukraine-russia-world-war-ii

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd ask if you come from !fuckcars@lemmy.world but I think we both know the answer is yes.

Me too.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 week ago

I've always felt this way but that community has been huge for making me realize that a lot of other people feel the same way too!

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Also, in both cases many more are killed by humans than the other way around.

[–] CombatWombat@feddit.online 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am somewhat disturbed by how right you are about this. Car sales estimates are 90-100 million new cars per year, so assuming we're not putting 99 million new cars on the road every year, we're destroying a lot more than we're making. I'm not even gonna look at the numbers for sharks cuz I know it'll make me big sad.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And yet people think I’m crazy for hating people as much as I do.

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[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I want us to redefine "pro-life" to mean pro-urbanism, pro-renewables, and pro-universal-healthcare. Just those 3 things would make for such a dramatic increase in life expectancy and fall in child mortality, it's crazy.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago

Great idea!

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

One thing I learned in my journey to power a home and drive an electric car is that automobiles, even small "slow" cars, are thr most powerful thing that most people ever personally own. A firearm will accelerate a 7.5 gram projectile up to 425 meters per second. But my car will accelrate 1600 kg up to 44 meters per second and I can just take it wherever I want. I could even get a larger, faster one if I wanted and nobody would care.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, evil people are starting to realize that heavy machinery is a far more deadly weapon than firearms in untrained hands. Guns may be for killing, but their chief merit is that they are designed to be reusable and at range, intended to encourage trained soldiers to fight in relative safety for many days.

The people taking cars and ramming into parades? They don't want to live, so they can use an extremely powerful weapon, no skill required. And this tool is everywhere, just barely regulated.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is an important issue. People get upset when I bring this up because usually they're angry and they want to punish someone after these events, so they want to make it about immigrants, or fascists, or terrorists or whoever. But those people exist and frankly you are not going to get rid of them without doing something even worse than what they did.

The proper solution is to ensure that there is always physical separation between large groups of pedestrians and cars so that these ramming attacks simply cannot take place. Some well-placed bollards are all it takes.

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[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

While I don't disagree much, let's not be silly. The numbers need to be divided by hours of exposure.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago

I think both metrics would tell you different things. Even unadjusted it gives you an idea about which thing you should be concerned about addressing and reducing your own risk or the risk of those you care about.

Plus, I don't have exposure data like that to make the comparison. If you do then it would certainly be interesting to see.

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[–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Stephen King wrote this book and it was made into a movie and a Futurama episode.

Really? I must have forgotten the part of Christine where the car becomes amphibious!

Granted, it HAS been a few decades since I read it..

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Stephen King wrote this short story and directed the movie it was made into.

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[–] sundray@lemmus.org 14 points 1 week ago
[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Y'know, I think I could believe that cars kill more people than sharks even at sea.

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[–] the_flying_pig@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hippos kill a lot more people than sharks.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm frankly surprised that hippos kill ANY sharks tbh 🀷🏻

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not. IIRC they're technically herbivores, they just really fuckin' hate other creatures for some reason

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Nah, they're just very territorial, protective of their young, and deceptively fast. Long as you steer clear, it's not like they're going to stalk you for several miles to kill you like a tiger might 🀷🏻

Last I checked, there's very little territorial overlap between hippos and sharks πŸ˜„

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

I used to be surf patrol. Would explain it, "You're far more likely to die in the car on the way to the beach. If you survive that, odds are you drown before a shark is even in the area. So stay where I can see you and you might just get lucky one day."

[–] Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The passenger? A pool shark

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 5 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The person in the trunk? A card shark

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[–] FreeLikeGNU@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Christine (1983) rolls into the room.

[–] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And Maximum Overdrive too.

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[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I was just at an aquarium the other day joking that jaws would be a very different movie if you swapped out the shark design for, say, an epaulette shark. Would look too goofy to take seriously.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You couldn't very well call it Jaws with choppers like that. Maybe Spots?

[–] AviAdi@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

FuckCars is spreading πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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[–] whereitsat@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

sharks play into man's fear of nature, and regardless of the reality of shark attacks, the plot is going to seem reasonable. man can't control nature. oohhh, scary.

a killer car film is generally going to require some supernatural element and then be accused of being 'schlocky' or 'so bad it's good,' like in this thread. if you're killed by a car, most people would consider it someone's fault--either the pedestrian or one of the drivers, and an 80 year old with poor eyesight doesn't make for a good horror film.

i guess you could make some silly a24 'arthouse' film called 'the passenger.' it would be about a sane passenger in a car driven by an increasingly reckless driver that builds up to a life-altering crash. it could answer questions about 'why didn't they just ask to be let out?'

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I kind of think car crashes could fit pretty well into my horror movie idea, Sanewashing; in which an amateur serial killer is clumsily killing people, but an overbearing sense of β€œnormalcy” is preventing people from panicking or investigating, just viewing the deaths as tragedies rather than mysteries.

Something that could be thematic is to just have someone hear about a friend being killed, and be completely on edge; but then hear it was a car crash, and all tension releases.

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[–] DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pretty sure they made that movie a few times.

Plus, there's that tire documentary called Rubber.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Plus, there’s that tire documentary called Rubber.

They dramatized it a bit, but tires actually do kill a lot of people. Mostly by releasing toxic dust as they gradually wear down.

[–] DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Sometimes that, sometimes they fly off and hit people, sometimes they psychically destroy them with crazy magic tire powers.

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[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Compared to shark attacks, more than 1,000 times the number of people each year choke to death. Now THAT'S a movie I'd watch!

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] FluidBeef@quokk.au 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Did anyone else think this was going to be cows? (more people are killed by cattle each year than by shark attacks)

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[–] rslogix89@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Gonna need a bigger car…

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

And so goes the us automotive industry.

[–] Wataba@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

It's called Maximum Overdrive.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

That car is way too cute. They usually come in XXL.

[–] Nasan@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

Jaws theme but all you hear is a rattly bass and the windows close to breaking

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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