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[–] engene@lemmy.ca 19 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Why can’t we just distance ourselves from this? Why must we appease him!? 😡

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 hours ago

We dont lol Americans think we are because we increase the military spending. We are also not cutting social spending

[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

No shit Sherlock

[–] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 8 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Hey European nations; Nice to know about how your sovereignty works.

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 59 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. [...] The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some 50 miles of concrete highway. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people." - Eisenhower

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago (38 children)

Kewl. If only there wasn't a country that invaded another country on our borders, that openly talks about invading even more, fucking about with our utilities and using spies, the internet and sabotage to fuck around even more.

A comfy life needs to be secured with military might, like it or not. Otherwise you get assholes in shitholes trying to forcefully take it from you. Rome knew that, the US knows that, the EU knows this (otherwise it wouldn't exist - since it is made to increase bargaining power and contains mutual defense clauses).

So until Russia stops being a militaristic shithole that invades its neighbors and starts building those schools, power plants, hospitals and highways, we need to spend taxes on military. And yes, Russia is a threat - Georgia shown us, 2014 has shown us, 2022 has shown us.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

I don't disagree. But teddy had it right when he said speak softly but know when to swing your big dick

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[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

A lot of countries got lulled into a false sense of security by USA being in the NATO and Russia not outright attacking anyone for a moment and let their defence deteriorate. And now they're paying for it

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

"Russia not outright attacking anyone"

Oh so we ignore that they also didnt free eastern europe and return their indipendence like they promised? Ignoring Afghistanistan, backing the communist rebels in greece, ignoring all the supression of any protest in their red empire, ehtiopia, blockading berlins supply. Okayyy.

And we arent paying for it because of the USA said so. We are because our politicians finally realise russia never was a peaceful nation and clearly prepares a war to invate the rest of europe

[–] valkyrieangela@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 hours ago

ignoring Afghanistan

Stop right there. Your argument is over. Goodbye.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 hours ago

I mean those countries ignored those things. I'm saying they shouldn't have

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It's about Russia and it's militarist expansionism, not about Trump.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Its both. But not to appease trump, but to be prepared in case of a standoff

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[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 49 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

The fuck we are. This sounds like psyop

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Well the UK just cut disability benefits.

France is cutting support for chronically ill people.

The swiss government is planning on removing disability benefits for young people…

[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Dell Switzerland is hardly doing it to appease NATO "allies". Yeah I know they are sort of allied adjacent.

I am not saying that the countries are not doing these things. But are they doing it to curry favor with TACO Trump?

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 hours ago

UKs government is weird. How that is labor no one knows. They also are introducing mass survailance. France and germany are trying to please the fascists inside their country. And both are having neoliberal leaders. And switzerland isnt in NATO lol

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 0 points 9 hours ago

Neither the UK nor Switzerland is in the EU. And I don't see evidence to any of those claims beyond the UK going to shit either way.

[–] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago
[–] atthecoast@feddit.nl 35 points 1 day ago (17 children)

I distrust this type of article as China and Russia have lots to gain from trying to stirr up opposition or protests in Europe, especially on this topic of defense.

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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 148 points 1 day ago (24 children)

Jesus fucking Christ. The fact that he is getting away with so much bullshit based solely on the fear that he might do something is absolutely infuriating. Like, I get it. I understand that it's a complicated issue and these people caving to him are trying desperately to appease him to save their own countries or themselves. But this man, and whoever is backing him and possibly pulling the strings, is purposefully destroying society for more money and power. So much shit going backwards because less than 1% of the 8 billion of people on the entire fucking planet felt like they didn't have enough.

And at the end of the day, when everyone is done appeasing a madman, what will be left? What kind of world will we create as we bend the knee to the man that wants us all to suffer? If you appease the madman to save yourself, the only thing you will get in return is a life of fear in a madman's world.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 62 points 1 day ago (2 children)

At this point, I'm pretty sure they're just using it as an excuse to wreck social services.

[–] thelivefive@startrek.website 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Oligarchic authoritarianism has been on the rise worldwide for the last 20 years at least and people go on about Trump like he's the cause not a symptom. He's about to be dead and these dumbasses will sit around wondering why everything isn't better now that bad man gone.

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[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago

Worse. More like less than 0.0001% of the humans on the planet.

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