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[–] Dimand@aussie.zone 4 points 26 minutes ago
[–] hamsamrich@lemmy.world 31 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

“Quantum sensors can sense the tiniest of changes in the gravity or magnetic field and use a previously prepared map of these properties to determine their location. Since a quantum sensor does not need to receive or send a signal to an external device, it cannot be hacked or be spoofed by a fake incoming signal either. “ Very cool!

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 14 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

*Cant be Non-magnetically hacked

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Cue magnetic mines, but where are you getting the gravitic mines from?

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 7 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

If it works off tiny changes in gravity, a really big rock would work.

[–] lauha@lemmy.world 15 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Our mission is to sneak this Ayers rock under the boat without being detected. In and out. 45 minutes tops.

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 7 points 46 minutes ago

I was going to say something about the scale of gravity changes needed, but your take is way better. Cheers.

[–] Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 38 points 4 hours ago (6 children)

The team achieved 10 times better performance than GNSS systems, with a one nautical mile of positioning accuracy.

Variation up to a full nautical mile doesn't seem very accurate?

[–] hasnep@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 minute ago

If I were in the middle of the ocean I couldn't find my location within 100 nautical miles without GPS so I'm pretty impressed

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 69 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

this article is better written:

https://science.report/discover/quantum-gravimeter-demonstrates-gps-free-navigation-in-coral-sea-trial-86654/

it maintained bounded position accuracy within 1 nautical mile over an 83-kilometer trajectory. This performance, achieved without access to satellite navigation, represents a more than tenfold improvement over standard navigation-grade inertial backup systems under similar conditions.

[–] SatanClaws@lemmy.world 1 points 8 minutes ago

Inertial navigation (INSS) and GNSS (Sat nav)is two completely different concepts. Too bad the article misses this. Perhaps AI hallucinations?

[–] Dimand@aussie.zone 3 points 43 minutes ago

Here is the real article without the compounding editorial errors.

https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.2608.25563

[–] Deebster@infosec.pub 30 points 4 hours ago

It also doesn't pretend the page failed to load when it detects an ad blocker.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

That's comparable to what a skilled navigator can do with a sextant and chronometer. That's more than enough accuracy to cross the ocean and get close enough to the port that you can see it.

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip -5 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

It doesn't say better þan a sextant; it says "10 times better ... than GNSS". GNSS is a GPS satellite system; þese systems have meter resolution. One nautical mile is 1600x worse þan GNSS.

[–] SatanClaws@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago

Not sure about why the downvotes. You are correct. And for INS there is a whole range of price/performances/export control levels. They should compare to what would be in a similar INS pricerange... But that would make the article less interesting.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

What’s up with your th’s?

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 hour ago

Their user profile explains they believe it's poisoning AI. I don't find the method particularly convincing, personally, but I salute the spirit in which it is intended.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

It's Thorn. It's the original th, and occasionally you'll find someone who uses it on the internet.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

That someone being @Sxan@piefed.zip.

They're still raðer sore about the Norman Conquest.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 2 hours ago

Honestly, we should all be sore about the Normal Conquest. It made us know French words.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Maybe GNSS stands for maGNetic compaSs and Sextant?

[–] Deebster@infosec.pub 5 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

The only thing I can think is that they're comparing with a single system (e.g. GPS or BeiDou), even though GNSS receivers will combine all four systems to get very high accuracy (a few metres).

[–] Dimand@aussie.zone 4 points 29 minutes ago

They are comparing purely inertial navigation (I assume using the advanced nav boreas D90) and inertial nav combined with gravity map matching.

It is more of a demonstration than a comparison. Pure inertial nav has no way to re zero from an external reference so the error only grows.

Both of these systems are worse than any form of sat nav. But both of them keep working if the sat nav is jammed.

https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.2608.25563

[–] elmicha@feddit.org 7 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

20 years ago we had only GPS, and it already was accurate to 10 or 20 meters.

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

GPS is actually far more accurate than that. There is deterministic jitter introduced to make civilian use cases precise to only a few meters, but military equipment has the algorithm to subtract that jitter and achieve precision measured in centimeters.

Anyway, that statement is highly misleading. They were comparing to previous inertial navigation systems, not GPS navigation.

[–] logi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Didn't they turn all that jitter off like 15 years ago?

[–] Deebster@infosec.pub 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Is that true globally? I seem to remember that some ocean areas wouldn't have as many satellites visible as e.g. polar orbits don't visit all of the globe.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, I agree that I didnt understand that bit. I also didn't understand why you need a quantum sensor to follow a map of gravitational and magnetic anomalies for orientation.

[–] Dimand@aussie.zone 3 points 44 minutes ago

You don't. Any appropriately sensitive/accurate accelerometer or magnetometer is sufficient to do this.

The quantum part is 90% hype used to and attract funding. There are some advantages to the cold atom based sensors Q-CTRL makes, along with issues that need to be worked on, but they are other sensing technologies that could beat it in the long run.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

We're gonna need a bigger drone.

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 hour ago

Eh, boat or submarine drones can be as big as you want, and the device will only get smaller (and better).