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A senior cleric in Iran has issued a fatwa declaring that anyone who threatens Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is "an enemy of God," state media has reported.

Grand Ayatollah Naser Makarem Shirazi was responding to a question about any threats made by U.S. President Donald Trump and the leaders of Israel, including prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

A fatwa is a ruling on how to interpret Islamic law issued by a clerical authority.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 hour ago

Trump: Putting the "fat" in "fatwa" since 1946.

[–] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

I am on Team Iran

[–] korsystems@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 hour ago

Well, Trump is an insult to anyone with more than one functioning brain cell

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 17 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, no shit. I'm with Iran on this one.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago

Oh he's an enemy to far more than just some imaginary friend.

[–] zephiriz@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

And if you happen to wander into a right-wing maga conversation you hear that Trump has ended was with Iran and he should get a Nobel peace prize for it. I wonder what talking point is right.

/S

[–] ter_maxima@jlai.lu 11 points 3 hours ago

He is the enemy of literally everyone, so, I guess God is also on that list 😂

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 27 points 7 hours ago
[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 29 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

It's weird when two horrible entities in the world hate each other.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 15 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Only in the sense that all our heads will start to pop like popcorn when the nukes start flying.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 9 points 4 hours ago

Iran doesn't have nukes and their strategy is quite defensive, rather than aggressive. If there is Nukes flying Israel would toss them first and the US would follow in, because they can't be not throwing bigger bombs than Israel.

[–] Vizzerdrix@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Great Kreator song

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 30 points 9 hours ago

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 31 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Babe wake up, abrahamic religion is fighting again.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago (2 children)
[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

He’s not, but the fundamentalist Christians have decided he’s their hero.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Would it be better if he was, though?

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

If he would take the ten commandments serious, we would be in a very different place.

The same applies to most of high ranking US politicians though. Imagine a world in which the US would not be constantly murdering and robbing people.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

The Bible specifically allows killing as an act of war and considers it different from murder. The protagonists of the book also steal stuff all the time.

These commandments are for controlling behavior inside a society, not outside of it.

Trump is a senile and a deeply unserious person. His existence makes me believe that souls might exist because he very much seems like a person without one. He doesn't think about his actions deeply which is why I believe that if he suddenly turned religious, I don't think much would change.

When it comes to scripture, it's important to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff. If suddenly tomorrow he truly believed that God will judge him and that God is wise and just (I feel like any monotheistic religion has at least these attributes), he would have a mental breakdown cause he'd know he's almost certainly going to Hell, lol. He's too far away from just basic decency and morality, too in love with money, power and underaged girls, to ever take one step in that direction though. 🤷

[–] selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works 17 points 9 hours ago

Oh please. And what are you gonna do about it? Dare you. Double dog dare you!

I mean, really lol go ahead

[–] infyrian@kbin.melroy.org 97 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

Got too many 'leaders' in this globe with a Jesus Christ/God Complex. That's what is wrong with this world.

"Jesus complex" is being an imperialistic or violent and abusive pillaging freak? 😭🙃

The Sermon on the Mount is like 4 pages long, come on...

[–] Cheems@lemmy.world 41 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

That and an extreme lack of empathy, which is confusing

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

Most organized religions don't cultivate empathy, especially the ones considered Abrahamic. It probably inhibits it.

It's all about their gods saying "do these things and you won't suffer at my hands." Followers don't get to think about whether something is correct or the right thing to do. They're too busy thinking about if it's going to count as a sin.

Having lived in Utah for way too long, I have seen this among the Mor[m]ons. They'll do "good works" but it's very impersonal most of the time.

It's about grinding the maximum blessings with the least amount of effort. That doesn't lend itself to empathy.

Especially with the whole temple thing. Spend a couple of hours cosplaying as an avatar for a dead person and still get all the blessings as if you helped a living person in a tight spot.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Most organized religions don’t cultivate empathy, especially the ones considered Abrahamic. It probably inhibits it.

This is simply false.

https://theconversation.com/us-muslims-gave-more-to-charity-than-other-americans-in-2020-170689

We found that Muslim Americans gave more to charity, donating an average of $3,200, in 2020, versus $1,905 for other respondents. They also differed from non-Muslims in many ways. For example, nearly 8.5% of their contributions supported civil rights causes, compared with 5.3% of the general public.

All observant Muslim adults with the means to do so are expected to give to charity in adherence to faith-based traditions. One, known as Zakat, is more formal and among the five pillars of Islam that Muslims are expected to adhere to. Another, sadaqah, happens voluntarily.

That made us want to see if religiosity played a role with the charitable patterns of U.S. Muslims. It turns out that Muslims who displayed higher levels of religiosity, such as by praying more often, were also more likely to give to charity than those who prayed less frequently. We found similar trends among non-Muslims.

https://www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/british-muslims-give-four-times-the-average-uk-donor-report-says.html

British Muslims are the most generous group in the UK, giving more than four times as much money to charity each year than the average Brit, according to new research.

The researchers saw this across all income brackets and it rose to its highest amongst those earning between £75,000-£100,000.

Muslims in the UK are also twice as likely as the British average to raise money via community events and via personal challenges such as running marathons, the report says.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 46 minutes ago

Keep fighting the good fight, man. I've given up on getting Lemmy atheists to abandon any but the most insane of positions (and even then they dig in their heels half the time).

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine judging all organized religions using Mormons out of all people as your basis.

Or any sort of American-based religion tbh. Christianity (the rites and added Roman things, not the supposed core of Jesus' teachings) is a mess in itself, but then you have Evangelicals and megachurches and whatever other crazy and distinctively American branches they have over there that I'm not surprised that's their only understanding of religion. Religion is about self-control, everything else is wind.

[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago

It’s bizarre given how explicit the teachings of Jesus are. It’s very clear that many churches are cults following the teachings of man, only nominally accepting the word of God

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The thing I found out when I was a manager is you will get exactly what you measure. If you measure how long it takes to close tickets your customer service will suffer (that's a stupid thing to measure anyway, but we had a stupid director). If you measure the number of tickets closed then you'll get each step of a process as a ticket. If you measure billable hours you'll get a bunch of time padding.

So since the religion is measuring the amount of sin and (in some denominations cases) good works performed, that's what you'll get. How many of the big 10 did you stay on the right side of? Did you put in 2 hours at the soup kitchen? Cool, here's your ticket to heaven. It's not measuring how good you are to your fellow humans. And they're pissed if you don't have to follow the same rules they do because you don't believe in the same sins. So they try to force others to live by their dumb ass rules instead of trying to get others to be good people.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I cannot speak for other religions but for Islam that is completely false.

Intention is crucial to the evaluation of an action. An outwardly good deed with bad intention is worth nothing, and a bad deed done out of good intention will see forgiveness in its punishment.

See for instance: https://islamweb.net/en/article/156996/the-intention-is-the-foundation-of-every-action

A famous hadith (saying by the Prophet, blessings and peace be upon him) goes as follows (translation of the meaning):

The first of men (whose case) will be decided on the Day of Judgment will be a man who died as a martyr. He shall be brought (before the Judgment Seat). Allah will make him recount His blessings (i. e. the blessings which He had bestowed upon him) and he will recount them (and admit having enjoyed them in his life).
(Then) will Allah say: What did you do (to requite these blessings)?
He will say: I fought for Thee until I died as a martyr.
Allah will say: You have told a lie. You fought that you might be called a" brave warrior". And you were called so.
(Then) orders will be passed against him and he will be dragged with his face downward and cast into Hell.

Then will be brought forward a man who acquired knowledge and imparted it (to others) and recited the Qur'an. He will be brought And Allah will make him recount His blessings and he will recount them (and admit having enjoyed them in his lifetime). Then will Allah ask: What did you do (to requite these blessings)?
He will say: I acquired knowledge and disseminated it and recited the Qur'an seeking Thy pleasure. Allah will say: You have told a lie. You acquired knowledge so that you might be called" a scholar," and you recited the Qur'an so that it might be said:" He is a Qari" and such has been said.
Then orders will be passed against him and he shall be dragged with his face downward and cast into the Fire.

Then will be brought a man whom Allah had made abundantly rich and had granted every kind of wealth. He will be brought and Allah will make him recount His blessings and he will recount them and (admit having enjoyed them in his lifetime).
Allah will (then) ask: What have you done (to requite these blessings)?
He will say: I spent money in every cause in which Thou wished that it should be spent.
Allah will say: You are lying. You did (so) that it might be said about (You):" He is a generous fellow" and so it was said.
Then will Allah pass orders and he will be dragged with his face downward and thrown into Hell.

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 hours ago

🙏 Someone with some sources instead of the usual lemmy circlejerk

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 14 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

A Jesus Christ complex would be refreshing. A leader who would deny earthly pleasures, command their followers to love thy neighbor, feed the hungry, uplift the sick and poor, give long sermons about mercy and forgiving your enemies, and would be seen personally breaking bread with the unhoused and lawyers alike?

That'd freak everybody out for sure.

[–] Inaminate_Carbon_Rod@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you for this take.

The problem isn’t religion.

The problem is PEOPLE

[–] ISOmorph@feddit.org 3 points 7 hours ago

Thank you for being the voice of reason. I keep telling peole that without religion people would wage war about what the best color is. If you want to be a dick you'll always find a reason

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[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 58 points 12 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] tal@lemmy.today 32 points 11 hours ago

Donald Trump: "Enemy of God"

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20g1zvgj4do

'Anointed by God': The Christians who see Trump as their saviour

This timeline.

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 34 points 11 hours ago (4 children)
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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 15 points 11 hours ago

More like enemy of men, both of youse

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It's unclear how Khamenei will navigate the crisis his regime faces but as his credibility collapses

Propaganda. How is his credibility collapsing?

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Without checking the context, Iran and their proxies got hit a bunch and turned the other cheek, so in the game theoretic sense, yes, none of their threats will be credible now.

The conventional smart move would have been to start gradually blowing Isreali and American stuff up the moment Hazbollah was attacked. It sounds they might actually have some kind of twisted, theocratic idealism that got in the way of that.

[–] GoobyMcMooby@lemmy.zip 22 points 13 hours ago

I don’t necessarily vibe with the processes to reach the declaration nor do I reflexively support the orator, but I can’t say I disagree

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