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I will be switching to Graphene OS🇨🇦 full time to keep my access to f-droid.

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[–] smegger@aussie.zone 93 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Just enable the bypass now in preparation. Only took at second Google search:

Google provides a built-in "escape hatch" in the settings, though it is intentionally designed with significant friction to prevent social engineering attacks. [1] (https://keepandroidopen.org/), [2] (https://www.gadgets360.com/apps/features/how-to-bypass-android-24-hour-delay-and-install-third-party-apps-on-your-phone-11243027)

Unlock Developer Mode: Open your device Settings, go to About Phone, and tap Build Number 7 times.

Enable Unverified Packages: Go to Settings > System > Developer Options and scroll until you find Allow Unverified Packages.

Verify Intentions: Flip the toggle, confirm that you are not being coerced by a third party, and enter your device PIN or password.

Reboot: Restart your smartphone.

Wait out the Delay: You must wait exactly 24 hours. Google enforces this mandatory cooling-off period.

Finalize: After 24 hours have passed, return to the Unverified Packages menu to select either a temporary (7 days) or indefinite installation window.

[–] smegger@aussie.zone 33 points 1 month ago

Fyi mine was under "apps from unverified developers" in developer options.

[–] dropdrip@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It must be stated: Google is malicious! The language used here and elsewhere conceals the fact that: a) Google is a for-profit company with no morals (they work with militaries and surveillance-agencies to kill); b) they operate in a monopolistic manner; c) they're eroding control of your personal-property.

This is just another move by Google to consolidate control over the AOSP. It doesn't matter that this convoluted sequence can temporarily 'bypass' Google's wishes--in fact I would state this is clearly worse. Removing the ability to install non-Google-endorsed software on your own private-property could be illegal. This is perhaps the only thing they could do to prevent lawsuits, only they've made it so asininely convoluted that only 0.01% will actually complete the process that it should be illegal monopolistic behaviour. American courts have absolutely failed everyone by allowing this rampant malicious behaviour to be the norm in American-software.

Google's Android already created friction for installing software outside their ecosystem. There is no justification for this behaviour. It cannot be defended. Stop following their market-speak. This is belligerent and malicious behaviour!

To put a finer point on this: Google is charging a recurring fee to anyone who wants to distribute software to phones--Android-phones. If you have a need to distribute software to your organisation's mobile-computers you now need to pay a recurring fee to Google, or... jump on one foot, spin around, touch the ground and hope Google doesn't bully you further. Oh, and you have to do this dance personally for all 438 mobile-computers you manage. The absurdity of the situation is appalling! The fact you have users defending--and that is what these sort of responses are doing: defending one of the most profitable companies in existence--"oh, just do the dance now so it won't inconvenience you later".

The "escape hatch" is down that corridor, to the left, left, right, left, left, up, right & behind the book-case; take the stairs up, down five flights; depart at Washington D.C. and on arrival you'll see a button. Press it. It might not do anything.

--Google

[–] smegger@aussie.zone 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No doubt it's a pain in the ass and it's not just a protective measure. But pretty much every company isn't doing stuff in the best interests of customers anymore (the bigger the company, the worse it is).

But I work with what I've got available at the moment.

I'd love for a free uncontrolled option to become available, but there's not really any good choices at the moment.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Thank you. Truly insane they added all those steps to the process.

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[–] MahouOwl@piefed.zip 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

Mine was also named "Apps from unverified developers". However, I'm not sure it actually got applied when I did it just now. Pressing on that quickly flashed something on the screen, but it disappeared before I could see what it was. I didn't get to flip a toggle nor enter the PIN. Pressing "Apps from unverified developers" again doesn't do anything now (not even the quick flash from the first time).

Appreciate any help!

EDIT: I restarted my phone just in case it did work, and checked again, the option is just gone. I'm unsure if this means something went wrong, or if it means it did work, and I'm currently in the 24 hour cooldown period.

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[–] BurgerBaron@quokk.au 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I switched to GrapheneOS soon after the Pixel 8 came out, so ~2.5 years ago. DeGoogled last year. DeAmerican'd as much as possible this year.

I'm hoping Android getting locked down will motivate more people to work on Linux for mobile devices.

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[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 month ago

I've been using Lineage with no Google Play services for years, so unless the app developers decide to stop updating their apps, I'll be alright. But in the future, I fully intend to switch to post-market OS when I purchase my next phone.

[–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Graphene for my Pixel 7 Pro, I guess. I have like 20 F-Droid apps. Google can fuck themselves. The masses won't even notice a difference, sadly.

Update

Okay, I've been doing research instead of just listening to the buzz on Lemmy. Nothing is meaningfully going to change. You are free to use Obtanium or F-Droid to install any app you want, and FOSS developers don't have to do a thing.

There's just a roadblock that's going to be introduced. You have to go through a little wizard that asks you if someone is pressuring you to enable side-loading, and then even when you say "yes, I want to move forward and enable side-loading", you have to wait 24 hours, one time, and never again. And that's only to install new apps. It's not going to affect any ones you already have installed.

https://developer.android.com/developer-verification/guides/faq#advanced-flow

The video linked in this FAQ was very clear and demos the process.

I can't believe the Lemmyverse let me believe that F-Droid and Obtanium were effectively going away for normal Android users, and that I must install something like GrapheneOS. 😑

I still might! Google can suck my asshole, but reinstalling a phone OS is a big deal. Not that it's hard or particularly error prone, but I have to reinstall everything, and set everything back up, because I'm not gonna buy a new phone to put Graphene on it, and then do the standard Android migration process. I would have to wipe my phone and redo everything. That's a chore that I probably won't do if nothing is meaningfully changing for me. I can deal with "the advanced flow".

[–] EvenOdds@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 month ago (6 children)

F-Droid and Obtanium are going away for normal android users.

It is deliberately difficult, and this whole thing is absolutely about Google making more money by tightening control of the ecosystem, not about security.

A nice summary from https://keepandroidopen.org/

Nine steps, 24-hour wait, buried in Developer Options, delivered through a proprietary service that Google can revoke whenever they want. That's not sideloading. That's a deterrence mechanism built to ensure almost nobody completes it. And since it runs through Play Services rather than the OS, Google can tighten or kill it silently

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[–] PrinzKasper@feddit.org 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can't believe the Lemmyverse let me believe that F-Droid and Obtanium were effectively going away for normal Android users

I mean, that was Google's original plan, until the backlash led them to introduce this option for "advanced users"

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[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I have a fairphone so ill probably be fine. I expect an acceleration in phone open source tech soon.

[–] somegeek@programming.dev 17 points 1 month ago

I'm on lineage for now. But android as a whole isn't safe anymore

[–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

I am already very happy with e/os on my Fairphone 6!

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[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I am not in a country that will be affected on that date, but my plan is to switch to PostmarketOS before the end of the year.

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, I'm also planning to switch to PostmarketOS. I was running Ubuntu Touch when my carrier changed things to where my phone didn't work as a phone without VoLTE. Ubuntu Touch doesn't support VoLTE on my Pixel 3a so I reluctantly switched to stock.

It wasn't until after I switched to stock firmware that I found out that PostmarketOS has experimental support for VoLTE on my device. I'm hoping "experimental" is good enough for my purposes, but we'll see when I get around to doing it.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 month ago

Well, I am probably going to try setting up dual boot with Android first 😅

[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 14 points 1 month ago

I think another good secure mobile os with arguably the best looking UI is Sailfish🇫🇮

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Continue to not own a mobile phone as I have done since the 80s

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I'm assuming, then, though, that you do have a computer, in order to receive emails and such. Too much in society is attached to having other stuff: mailing address, email, phone number, two factor authentication, running privacy violating software on Windows, etc...

If you've been doing it since the 80s, have there been eras that have really challenged your desire or whatever to not have a mobile phone?

Do you think life would be much easier if you did have a mobile phone?

Why do you not have a mobile phone?

Do you think other or younger people should follow your lead?

I'm so curious about your story. I've thought about it many times, and as much as I think the technology is super cool and amazing, I also really wish it wasn't all but legally required to participate in so many aspects of society. It makes me wonder where you're from and where you live and if you're American or not.

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[–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago

I'm fairly happy with my Linux phone. Not too worried :P

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 month ago

Going to have to try out postmarket soon, but want to find a job irl before then.

[–] popekingjoe@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

I'm already rocking GrapheneOS on all of my devices except my work phone. I'm good.

[–] tehmics@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Already on graphene

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago

I am on grapheneOS.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I moved to GrapheneOS a few years back and dumped their services for an Immich server and proton mail

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[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Was planning to just install lineage on my phone, but broke the screen recently and it was nearly 6 years old anyways so decided to get a Linux phone.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago

Cross that road when it happens. Likely, next phone purchase will be a lot more annoying.

[–] csolisr@hub.azkware.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Save up for a secondary phone I can "sideload" things on at my leisure, or barring that, seeing if Shizuku isn't retroactively blocked on my device

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We need to pressure every tech reviewer to mention whether or not a phone model has an unlocked bootloader.

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yup, also not only unlockable but relockable (some are only the former as I understand), relocking is important for the new image's security and may enable more apps to work.

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[–] HuePony@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Don't wait, do it now

[–] Obituarykidney@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have not been following Google News, what's happening with Android?

[–] matsdis@piefed.social 10 points 1 month ago

See: https://keepandroidopen.org/

TL;DR: it will get harder to distribute android apps to the majority of the users. You can still do whatever you want with your device, for now, if you go through all the new extra steps.

[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Waiting for Motorola linux phone.

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[–] JakenVeina@midwest.social 6 points 1 month ago

Lookup their official process for bypassing the lockdown, and do it. Then never buy a google-controlled device again.

[–] CumbrianCucumber@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I've been on Ubuntu Touch for a couple of months now! I'm enjoying it so far

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[–] modernangel@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The only thing it might affect is my favorite f-droid music app. I'm leaning away from the Alphabet ecosystem for other uses though - Joplin instead of Keep for note-taking, Organic Maps instead of Gmaps for nav, local LibreOffice files instead of Workspace apps when online collab isn't critical.

Nobody has quite stepped up to compete with G Sheets. Even Excel online is a distant runner-up. Proton is working on challenging Alphabet's Drive/Docs/Sheets hegemony but right now it's painfully basic.

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[–] Beangut@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

GrapheneOS currently, I have decided this is the last I'll have though. Back to the landline when this one breaks/is locked out of the walled gardens

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[–] bad1080@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

google has no power over my phone, long time crdroid user (lineage fork)

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