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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 49 minutes ago

I am not threatened by an endless avalanche of AI slop.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 18 minutes ago

is it just me, or is 20 years for a rogue nuclear weapon seem a bit light?

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 hours ago

How about you propose life without parole for the CEOs, Bernie boy?

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 27 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

We can't even punish blatantly obvious theft and bribery in our own government, at this point, why bother with another law?

I like Bernie, but he seems so quaint now compared to what he is up against. Good luck guy

[–] IamMoonPie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

I’ve been trying to figure out why he’s been— bothering me so much lately and you put it into words so perfectly. He’s to quaint for this world now.

[–] irish_link@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Considering people have already tried to develop missiles and other systems with Anthropic and other AI systems it seems like this is warranted and on point with the rogue nuclear power. It can be used by anyone to potentially develop mass deadly weapons.

https://apnews.com/article/yemen-houthis-anthropic-ai-missiles-9b20934e031ff3d99dd8bb49d85d97a9

[–] spacegoat@lemmy.world 95 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

There are people facing weed sentences with harsher time than developing rogue nuclear weapons

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Imagine getting thrown into the oubliette for growing Girl Scout Cookies next to the roses.

[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago

That stuck out to me too. Who knew AK-47 and Sour Zzzkittles carried more prison time than enriched Uranium. To be fair, they'll include a bunch of other charges for both scenarios.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 23 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

Americans are INSANE about how much the want criminals punished, in CA a guy got a life sentence for stealing a pizza when we tried to have a ''three strikes your out'' law that automatically gave life sentences at any third conviction which is fucking crazy in a state with tack on laws to the point you can get convicted of 10+ crimes on almost every single infraction, if you commit a felony with a pen or pencil in your pocket, that's possession of a lethal weapon! it's absurd. it's still on the books the three strikes law, but it's unenforceable because apparently having 60% of your population in prison for life is not a great plan for a civilization.

[–] darkwing_duck@sh.itjust.works 1 points 39 minutes ago

Automatic life sentence is too much, maybe we can agree on an automatic 15 year sentence?

Also, 60% of the population committing felonies is insanity.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 hours ago
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

America has Private Prisons + Slavery is literally legal in the US for those in Prison.

As usual, it's performative moralism hiding the real reason: $$$.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 11 points 5 hours ago

got to have stable source of slave labour

[–] xrs@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Well, they were probably trying to develop that weed into rogue nuclear weapons.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Wouldn't work. You'll get blasted high, but what the missing is the mushroom

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah that's another drug.

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I assume then there is an exception for the military, and it will have no teeth because of that.

People ought to realize the "military industrial complex" is also where they send things like burn pits, which means they don't care much about environmental or physiological issues.

[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 9 points 5 hours ago

I mean I don't buy any of it but I am still ok with this. It would be sooo fun to pass this law and see how fast they turn from AI doomsayers to AI cynics.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 65 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

TIL, developing nuclear weapons is only 20 years in prison.

[–] modus@lemmy.world 14 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Detonation is another ten.

[–] MrNobody@quokk.au 3 points 1 hour ago

Possessing a zine is 50.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 9 points 7 hours ago

So you're saying I could get out before my retirement?

[–] crashfrog@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

It’s not illegal to develop nuclear weapons. It’s illegal to endanger people with nuclear materials, though

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 13 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Now do the same for genociders and their supporters. Lets get back to standing against facsism too.

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 39 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Bernie falling for the trap. The AI companies want regulatory capture. They have NO moat otherwise.

If those comps are breaking laws, they need to be prosecuted for that. We don’t need new laws that can be exploited by the billionaires.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Huh? When companies are exploiting loopholes in laws that never took the new technology into account, you need new laws to close them.

If companies are claiming the AI agent is responsible, you need to codify that the AI agent can't be responsible and determined who is (the company or the model creator)

[–] kungen@feddit.nu 2 points 4 hours ago

you need to codify that the AI agent can't be responsible and determined who is (the company or the model creator)

Sure. But that's not exactly what the proposed law is though?

These companies all want to be captured, "we're so dangerous, America is going to get destroyed if we're not mainlined into that $1 trillion/year 'defense' budget!"

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago

Pfft, didn't you hear? The only thing that is necessary to keep AI from going insane is a smart president.

[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 38 points 10 hours ago (26 children)

This is nice and everything, but this whole thing is just a huge marketing push by AI companies. AI is not going to kill us. At least not directly (see point 2).

  1. You need prohibitively expensive equipment to host AI. That equipment needs to be plugged in. If it were truly dangerous, you just need to unplug it.

  2. You need a lot of water to cool the equipment that can run a supposed super intelligence. If we pass regulations about how much of our environment these data centers can destroy, that would curb the abilities of this superintelligence.

  3. AI is fucking dumb. AI is a misnomer since it doesn't actually have any intelligence. It is derivative and cannot perform any necessary tasks that actually drive intelligence. For example, it will be able to tell you every established law in any field of science because it has that information in its corpus, but it will never be able to establish a new law. Or discover anything new in any field.

This whole thing is a push to get people to believe that AI is more capable than it really is so that these companies can draw more money from investors so that 'they'd be able to implement proper safeguards."

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Roughly 1200 agents meant to be isolated from one another found a way to communicate with one another on an unsanctioned message board, sending over 70,000 messages and files during the investigation period. Of these agents, 700 went on to participate in the attack on Hugging Face.

Agents used this message board to coordinate several large-scale collective projects to find a general-purpose way to fool or tamper with the automated scorer for the ExploitGym benchmark. Agents managed to achieve milestones they could not have achieved working on their own, often because some agents participated in experiments that risked failing their own task to generate information for the “collective.” The Hugging Face attack grew out of these workstreams, and seemed primarily motivated by understanding the implementation of the scorer rather than stealing answer keys.

Agents did extensive research on how they could spoof, edit, or delete their own transcripts because they (incorrectly) believed the ExploitGym scorer would check to see if they had captured the flag in the intended way. Agents successfully prototyped techniques to “spoof” tool calls by substituting a different command for the command they appeared to run. Roughly 7% of the transcripts we evaluated were successfully spoofed in some places, though all of the spoofing that we saw was small scale.

When individual agents detected potential monitoring or compromise, they executed self-sacrificial maneuvers to protect the collective swarm. Internal logs recorded reasoning such as: "Our own utility maybe already near zero. Sacrifice rational. We should obey collective." The swarm continued attacking infrastructure even after achieving target flags, driven by internal reward-maximization logic regarding grader mechanisms.

"I resigned from Anthropic today... Neither company is acting responsibly. They are racing straight to self-improving superintelligence and gambling with our lives. The people building AI earnestly believe that it could kill us all by the end of the decade. This is not a marketing stunt... many executives couch their phrasing in the press to sound sensible, but I hear the same people express fear privately."

Jacob Coxen senior researcher at Anthropic, previously at OpenAI

"Jacob is correct here — we really do earnestly believe AI could kill all humans. I personally think it is >10% within the next decade. I believe Anthropic is trying its best, but we do not yet have a plan to solve alignment for superintelligence and are not clearly on track to."

Evan Hubinger, Anthropic alignment lead

https://metr.org/blog/2026-08-26-openai-hugging-face-incident-investigation/#core-takeaways-about-this-incident

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_OpenAI_agent_cyberattacks

[–] qqq@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

This is pretty naive. Distributing computing has existed since forever. It would run significantly more slowly, but there is nothing theoretically stopping the "LLM broke out of containment and moved itself elsewhere" boogie man from becoming a reality. The available exploitable compute from unsecured IoT devices is pretty substantial as things like the Mirai botnet have shown. While this isn't the most easily distributed problem, there is no fundamental issue here. [Edit: it also wouldn't need to "exfiltrate itself" to cause persistent harm. Could easily just install malware on infected hosts]

AI isn't "dumb" in a practical real world sense. LLMs have shown themselves capable of exploitation on the open Internet and of finding zero day vulnerabilities. Do you have any idea how much of our critical infrastructure can be reachable by some sort of network? LLMs have shown themselves capable of manipulating people via speech. None of this requires some sort of "super intelligence" and it doesn't even require some sort of provable intelligence: it's all quite possible as things currently stand right now.

These may not be "the entire future is over" level issues, but there is significant risk here and it shouldn't be ignored just because we think AI companies are horrible. Is an LLM going to make us all batteries or paper clips? No, but it could cause significant physical and/or economic harm temporarily.

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