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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 13 hours ago

It's not weird at all. It's completely normal. Both "parties" serve the same system designed by literal enslavers.

[–] clifmo@programming.dev 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It takes more to build than to destroy. Not weird at all

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[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 hours ago (6 children)

republicans are united in their hate and greed.

in their fight against that, democrats are not. they squabble over everything and enough of them bail when they don't get their way.

they are not the same.

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[–] clifmo@programming.dev -5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, what is this community? And why is it upvoting sirota?

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[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world -3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

When have Democrats held supermajorities?

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[–] sartalon@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The long standing joke has been the Republicans are the party of bad ideas and Democrats are they party of no ideas.

If we could get the money out of the politics, then maybe things would be different. But both parties are just greedy cocksucking bootlickers.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 18 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Democrats are they party of no ideas.

Democrats are the party of promising a New Deal every election cycle and delivering Reaganomics every Congressional cycle

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[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 4 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Getting money out of politics is a naive goal as it fails to account that economics are intrinsically linked to politics. They cannot be separated

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 12 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Banning lobbying and implementing election spending caps would go a long way without even slightly affecting the economy.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (6 children)

Banning lobbying

How would that work? Nobody is allowed to talk to a sitting Congress? They just go into seclusion every two years?

election spending caps

We don't even have proper candidate run elections anymore. It's all dark money running influence campaigns 24/7/365 from private think tanks and media companies.

Like, what are you going to do with FOX News or MSNBC during election season? What are you going to do with Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson? With Twitter and Facebook?

That's before we even get into the paradox of asking politicians to regulate themselves.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

How would that work? Nobody is allowed to talk to a sitting Congress? They just go into seclusion every two years?

Communication is fine. All voters have the equal opportunity to talk to their representative (lottery system if too much demand).

Companies don't get the right to talk to representatives, except indirectly via voters.

Capped, controlled benefits are passed from voters to representative (mainly time Volunteered). No financial benefits from corporations. Election funding is centralised and limited.

We don't even have proper candidate run elections anymore. It's all dark money running influence campaigns 24/7/365 from private think tanks and media companies.

I'm saying we make this illegal.

Like, what are you going to do with FOX News or MSNBC during election season?

Ban election opinion pieces. Enforce only facts reported. Full speeches, not soundbites.

Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson? With Twitter and Facebook?

Anyone with over X followers has their political opinions censored unless they are registered as running for election.

asking politicians to regulate themselves.

Certainly not. Enforced by an independent judge.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Communication is fine. All voters have the equal opportunity to talk to their representative (lottery system if too much demand).

I'm reminded of the national media having a meltdown because Bill Clinton traded a few words with Loretta Lynch on the tarmac in Phoenix. Now I'm imagining this kind of scandal every time a Congressman trades words with a next-door neighbor.

Capped, controlled benefits are passed from voters to representative

You're going to cap the number of hours a voter can volunteer for a political campaign? Even setting aside how that could possibly be policed, I can't imagine how such a policy would be popular enough for anyone to endorse. Imagine a sitting AG ordering the state sheriffs to drag some little old lady out of a campaign office for overshooting her campaign volunteering hour cap and how that would play in the national news.

I’m saying we make this illegal.

We already have an abundance of illegality committed by these private institutions. Nobody is enforcing any of it, precisely because the judicial system is in the pocket of billionaire special interests.

Compare this to drug criminalization. Who gets busted more often? The corporate lawyer doing a line of coke in the Penthouse suite? Or the homeless vagrant melting spoons under the freeway?

Hell, compare it to the TikTok Ban that got advanced under Biden and implemented under Trump. Did TikTok become apolitical after it's American assets were divorced from ByteDance? Or did it become even more political in the hands of a domestic set of oligarchs?

Ban election opinion pieces.

Blatant First Amendment Violation.

Enforce only facts reported. Full speeches, not soundbites.

As impractical as it is unconstitutional.

Anyone with over X followers has their political opinions censored

By whom? You're going to tell the FCC to censor Elon Musk? You're going to tell the FCC to censor Sitting President Donald Trump? Before or after the head of the agency is fired and the organization is gutted by angry partisans?

Enforced by an independent judge.

No such judge exists.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 9 hours ago

Now I'm imagining this kind of scandal every time a Congressman trades words with a next-door neighbor.

Talking to politicians is fine. Buying them coffee is not.

Capped, controlled benefits are passed from voters to representative

You're going to cap the number of hours a voter can volunteer for a political campaign?

Yep. 24h.

I'm not worried about individual work. I'm trying to remove the effect of money.

We already have an abundance of illegality committed by these private institutions. Nobody is enforcing any of it, precisely because the judicial system is in the pocket of billionaire special interests.

Sort out paying off politicians and this will change.

Ban election opinion pieces. Blatant First Amendment Violation. Enforce only facts reported. Full speeches, not soundbites. As impractical as it is unconstitutional.

Ok, I'll withdraw these. I can't see how these rules wouldn't be abused by fascist dictatorship. Maybe the media is less important with modern technologies.

Enforced by an independent judge. No such judge exists

Remove the money (except for high salary), enforce disbarment for violation. It will take a decade or two but they will be independent.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Under capitalism, those are still not sufficient to change much, even if you could get those across. Politics and economics are, as Doc_Crankenstein said, intertwined, with the economic base having by far the largest impact.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Not sufficient to fix the problem, but it would be a step in the right direction.

A governments success largely tied to it's economic performance, but that doesn't mean the direct links to bribery can't be severed.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

What is the right direction? Is socialism necessary in your view?

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[–] sapphironZA@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Because Republicans are paid by the elite to make people suffer

And Democrats are paid by the elite to make people suffer.

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[–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's only weird if you assume Democrats and Republicans aren't both working for the same handful of billionaires and that all the culture war stuff they fight over is just window dressing to distract you from that simple fact.

Once you recognize that the purpose of the Democratic Party is not to govern, but to capture and neuter social movements dangerous to Wall St, and secondarily to give people enough faith in the system that they'll keep voting and not revolting, then all the supposed contradictions make perfect sense.

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yep, that became the norm with the Obama betrayal. That's when the democrats sold out the the same oligarchs that bought the bush era republicans.

[–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago

Pretty sure it was the Clinton administration in the 90s when the Dems sold out to the same Oligarchs who bought the Reagan era Republicans, but the end result today is basically the same either way.

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Well Hakim Jeffries has been SECRETLY meeting with an UNELECTED SON OF THE DICTATOR to discuss the fate of OUR FUCKING republic.

ya don't say...

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