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I'm sorry, I'm not often someone to whine about Firefox UI. Usually their changes have been for good actually. BUT! But but but. Proper UI design would require AI features to be disabled if the toggle is disabled. This is both highly silly and very confusing.

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[–] h0pfries@lemmy.today 116 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I don't see the problem. The paragraph of text explains exactly what it's doing. Do you also have a problem with the "enabling" of your ad blocker "disabling" the ads? There's nothing "dark pattern" about this at all.

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 26 points 5 days ago

I could see that, but I think the key difference.

Adblocker is an active block of something from outside.

AI block is telling firefox not to use any of it's own.

Kind of a do this, versus don't.

"Do protect me from attackers."

"Don't attack me"

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 days ago

It should not be turn on to disable

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[–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 5 days ago (2 children)

On device translation is amazing and exactly what this software should be approved for, I think it’s good that they let you pick this separately. I don’t care for surrendering my cognitive functions to an advertising panopticon machine, but translating pages without letting Google know what sites I’m looking at? Yes please

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 9 points 5 days ago

Agreed. It's the only one I leave turned on and use rarely. I do appreciate that it runs locally.

[–] MBM@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Especially since Google translate is just a front for Gemini these days (and not in an "LLMs were made for translating" way, you can literally prompt inject it)

[–] bryndos@fedia.io 23 points 5 days ago (2 children)

If you refer to a traffic light as a "stop" light then you can interpret red as "do not stop".

[–] jdr@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Don't keep on not keeping on

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

ah, reminds me of a famous song.

Don't stop not believing

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[–] glibg10b@lemmy.zip 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

This is just my opinion, but I think it's reasonable to require your user to go to the settings if they want to remove a context menu item.

In fact, I think they're going above and beyond here. Most people never use "Inspect Accessibility Properties", yet they added it here with no option to remove it, and yet no one's complaining.

I think the cause of this outrage is people reading too much into Firefox's AI features. Firefox doesn't bundle an LLM or make requests without your permission. It doesn't put AI overviews on your pages. It didn't remove existing functionality to make room for the new buttons. And it doesn't shove any of the features into your face. It's just a context menu item that opens a website in the sidebar if you choose to click on it.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

I think thats not what OP is mildly infuriated about though. If I understood correctly its that you have to enable the setting "disable AI" instead of having a setting "use AI" (possibly enabled by default), which you would disable. Its just counterintuitive semantics

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 2 points 5 days ago (6 children)

If it's not an opt-IN feature, then it's malicious, anti-consumer design. Full stop.

The lengths people will go to defend Mozilla are astounding. If Chrome did this, you'd be throwing a fit.

[–] antiR@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

The "AI translation" feature here has been on Firefox for years now. It was once an extension then just baked in to Firefox. So it was always enabled by default that automatically translates a site if it found a compatible language and it is on-device so doesn't use the cloud. They just added the "AI" label recently I guess to appease a certain demographic. I guess there are other people who really relate AI to being bad. But guys, these have been ON firefox for a long time, just renamed as an AI feature.

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

if chrome added a toggle to turn off ai features?

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[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 19 points 5 days ago

I hate inverted booleans with an agenda

[–] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 23 points 5 days ago

Yes but I would argue that its function is properly described. I mean, it says what it does and if you want you can enable what it actually says.

[–] yyyesss@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago

i would say it's an intentional dark pattern

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

As they say, no AI is a feature.

Luckily, due to the nature of Firefox, this feature is free

[–] hraegsvelmir@ani.social 6 points 4 days ago

I'm okay with this one, since it's effectively an opt-in/opt-out toggle. One click on the toggle, then confirm and all the AI features get disabled as a result. Two clicks versus five is easier in my book, and at least it wasn't one of those awful, non-compliant cookie popups where there's no "reject all" button and you have to manually go through each toggle if it's on a site you actually need to access.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

What exactly is this disabling? Firefox's built-in AI tools? Or is it disabling AI tools on websites you visit? Because "blocking" seems like a very misleading term to be using if it's an internal presence being turned off. We typically only "block" remote things we know to be harmful to our experience, like harassing users on internet platforms or websites known to contain malware.

This is honestly some selfawarewolves shit at this point, Mozilla.

[–] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Only the built in tools

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[–] antiR@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

I don't recommend disabling the on-device translations and speech to text feature. Yes, they are "AI" but they are the good on-device offline AI services that are actually useful. Without the on-device translation feature, you'll have to rely on web based Google Translate. Same with the speech to text feature.

[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Using Librewolf solves the issues.

[–] felixwhynot@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

I’m using Zen and I haven’t seen any of this nonsense yet 🤷

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[–] pewpew@feddit.it 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Also, why does it say "blocked" instead of "disabled"? This kinda leads me to imply that their AI features are spyware

[–] remon@ani.social 3 points 5 days ago (3 children)

When they first announced this they called it the "AI kill switch", so they already toned it down.

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[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I have to go into chrome://flags and disable AI in Chrome too. Fuck that “CIA sniffer” on my “typing.”

And I believe my Firefox… eh, I gotta check because why this opt-in to disable?

As soon as someone forks a “AI free” browser, I’m switching. Goddamm, this is all a setup for “too big to fail” (or get a Y2K disaster thingy) so gimme a bail out. Thieves in a few years.

[–] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Librewolf is AI free their default search engine is even ai free duck duck go. You can also easily opt into some of the functions that usually break web pages when they arent enabled at the cost of some privacy

[–] gezginorman@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 days ago

i think you just blocked things you already blocked. that button is for blocking all at once, as per their statement

[–] tigermountain@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

This is proper UI design. What they're doing is defaulting to have AI updates installed automatically. If you don't want that to happen you can stop it.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 5 days ago (3 children)

its a kill switch to disable everything otherwise you can enable or disable the things you don't want

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[–] viral.vegabond@piefed.social 7 points 5 days ago

It's intentional.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

As someone who has gone through Windows group policy, the amount of weird policies and regedits we have to do to disable AI, recall, anayltics, etc. it's insane and the process flip flops with tricky wording. Enabling something here and disabling stuff somewhere else, it gets annoying

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

You are comparing it to the worst of the worst

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

firefox is a spring garden filled with wildflowers and honeybees going about their business compared to the hellscape that is windows group policies.

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At least they are brave enough to make the switch for free.

[–] Czombolero@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Pushing the opt out responsibility on the user is why I left Windows and never looked back. I recommend Waterfox which I started using a couple months back when Firefox started going in this direction. Waterfox is great on desktop and Android (which I'll hopefully shed soon too when my current phone stops working).

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 4 days ago

I think whoever coded that views toggles as a yes/no.

Mistaaaaake

[–] Flaqueman@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I agree. This is a double negative. Language usually goes with positive statements instead of double negative. You don't say "I didn't fail". You say "I succeeded". With that logic, the UI should say "Enable AI features" instead of "Disable AI blocker".

[–] GalacticRobot@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You do the same thing with ad blockers. They are on when you are blocking ads. This is on for blocking AI.

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Someone has been studying up on the Microsoft Group Policy way of wording things.

[–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

For the record, I know it was marketed as "AI killswitch". I know it functions as one.

But it's still hella confusing as presented in the configuration! Don't do double negatives! If your design goal is "disable everything", maybe give the users the option to, I don't know, "disable everything".

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Isn't that what it does? Except in your mind it would say "enable ai" and you'd have to enable it to access the options below.

That makes sense to me

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