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finally everyone's in agreement that what they're doing is illegal and should stop immediately. right?
Ahh, so it's not a viable business model
Me: It's not doable for me to pay for all copyrighted input, so I'm totally pirating everything
It's not doable for average people to pay for all copyrighted media.
Looks like piracy is fine everyone!
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So they are saying piracy is the correct and moral thing?
Well fantastic, pirate everything! (as if you didn't already)
So have Congress repeal copyright law and not just for AI companies.
Otherwise I would just fund an AI company that is just secretly a public library
That would be even worse. No one who pushes for this has ever critically thought through the consequences of it. It's laughably naive
Copyrights exists to maintain profits of large corporations. Copyright, patents, and intellectual rights were created under the false pretense that it "protects the little person", but these are lies told by the rich and powerful to keep themselves rich and powerful. Time and time again, we have seen how broken the patent system is, how it is impossible to not step on musical copyright, how Disney has extended copyrights to forever, and how the megacorporations have way more money than everybody else to defend those copyrights and patents. These people are not your friend, and their legal protections are not for you.
So, fuck them. Let AI destroy the fabric of copyrights.
This is the exact argument I was talking about.
Without copyright, those corporations can steal whatever they want from anyone. Whoever has the best distribution will profit the most.
If people cannot sustain themselves by making things things, people will stop making those things. That is bad for everyone.
Does our current system need a lot of work? Yes.
Is No-System-At-All a better option? Fuck no
In short, copyright should not exist because it is a state monopoly.
State monopolies are fine. The government is owned by the people, and when corporations don't think an industry is profitable, the government's job is to step it and take on that job themselves. That's how we end up with utilities, 911 services, the post office (back when it wasn't fucked with by Republicans).
The problem with copyrights is the corporate stank that gatekeeps enforcement. When a large corporate entity sues a small party, the small party is fucked.
Also, Mark Twain and Disney fucked up the length of copyright over the last 150 years. The social agreement was that we were supposed to get most of this shit into public domain in a reasonable amount of time. 80 years + life of the author is not a fucking reasonable amount of time, by any stretch of the imagination.
Read RMS’s thoughts on copyright.
Am I supposed to recognize what that acronym refers to? Root Mean Square?
I doubt they're different arguments than I've already seen a dozen times by idiots who only think one step through the consequences of their idea.
Richard Stallman, the creator of the GPL, a "copyleft" license. The problem is that Open Source Software is entirely reliant on a strong copyright system to be enforced. There is nothing else that prevents companies from just keeping everything proprietary, even if it's all oss under the hood.
Who explicitly points out that short duration copyright is probably what is in society’s best interest and in the best interest for those who create works. (By short, he means 5 years of copyright protection)
Open source software doesn’t benefit from longer term protections than that.
For once I agree with the tangerine mussolini: paying for all copyrighted stuff is not doable, hence I pirate all of it.
Yes, it should be legal to not pay for copyrighted material
With all the price hikes because of pointless tariffs it’s not doable to pay taxes to the government.
I just wish this lead to an actual reform of IP law instead of just benefiting the wealthy more.
Agreed. This really isn't as simple as "training AI is/is not copyright infringement ".
It isn't like the technology is going away, and if big corporations with huge IP libraries are the only ones that have access... Well that isn't exactly a pleasant world.
That said, creators absolutely deserve to get compensated for their work, especially if an AI is regurgitating recognizable hunks of their art.
same with my student loans, glad we're all set.
"It's not doable"
On that we agree.
So in theory one could start their own ai company fork an AI or even take some code and then pirate whatever you want and claim immunity for piracy because it is for your ai
if we start a religion that believes existience is a simulation and we're AI could we argue these laws apply to us under religious rights?
It's also a dumb fucking argument in general.
LLM models are not magic. They don't store the entirety of human history in a 10-20GB file. That's a fucking stupid idea. They look at something, process some weights, and move on to the next thing.
It's like going on Google Image Search, and seeing all of the copyrighted images on your browser. You didn't "steal" those, just because it was downloaded. That's not how copyright works.
Please stop parroting this stupid fucking argument.
Found the AI stan.