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[–] TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Cory Doctorow's "Reverse Centaurs Guide to Life After AI" has a short section that pertains to this. He talks about how someone like Linus essentially doesn't have a boss and has untold resources for whatever "AI" "tools" he finds useful.

He isn't ever forced to use the wrong tool for the job or use a tool that simply doesn't do what his boss thinks it does. He doesn't have to worry about getting fired or his coworkers getting fired because his boss was sold a story about reducing labor costs with this cool new "tool". He simply uses what's useful to him with the probably millions of dollars of compute made available to him by the tech giants.

95% of people don't have that luxury. They have a boss itching to get rid of them or 10x their workload with the help of the "tool" that Linus is so happily and defiantly praising on behalf of the monopolists.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 55 minutes ago (1 children)

I don't see how this means he's wrong though, if people are hating AI as a proxy for hating their abusive relationship with their employer, that doesn't seem like a strong argument that everyone who isn't in that situation must also hate AI.

[–] TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 21 minutes ago

It doesn't mean he's wrong! it means he's out of touch and doing the propaganda work of capital for free much like many other self-employed/business owning/petit-borgeois people who think they're on the side of capital.

It also means that his praise for and indeed positive experience with this "tool" is largely irrelevant to the broader social/economic discourse surrounding so called AI.

Blind hatred for AI as a technology is inherantly reactionary, but that doesn't mean that the implementation of the technology today isn't problematic in many ways.

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[–] AnotherPenguin@programming.dev 1 points 2 minutes ago

AI is just a tool, the user of a tool should be competent enough to use it properly

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 16 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The other practical side of this is enforceability.

Lets say Linux banned all use of VSCode in contributions, this second. And any Microsoft tools. No exceptions. And it makes sense, because there is an evil blatantly anti-linux entity behind it... What are people gonna do?

Keep using it anyway, and just not disclose it.

This is why linux doesn't tell people what tools they can and can't use. Practically, they can't police what tools people use, just what they contribute. Just like (to a reasonable degree) they don't try to police people who contributes to the kernel, but instead judge them by their contributions. Other contributors don't have to like those tools or contributors, but that is how a project like this must operate.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 11 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 29 minutes ago) (4 children)

the thing is - no other tool (currently ^yall_cant_read^) in our industry, and others, out there involves as much active destruction in both the working class and environment in its use.

that’s it. that’s the bit.

for those not understanding: the word “in” above implies in current use not that i am comparing AI’s effects with the invention of knitting machines or electricity.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 38 minutes ago) (1 children)

No it's just the newest tool that does that.

Are your clothes machine knitted? Do you know you're destroying the jobs of people who hand knitted clothes? And let's not forget the art form of hand knitting that is now being insulted by people who buy machine knitted clothes without a care. And let's not forget about the environmental impact of knitting machines that require electricity while hand knitting doesn't!

The same could be said about so many things.

There isn't really a fundumental difference thar I can see between AI and other tools, at least that I can see.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 57 minutes ago* (last edited 57 minutes ago) (1 children)

the newst tool happens to be the one doing the most destruction, so.. yes.

also: i do knit, lol. just a coincidence in example.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 2 points 23 minutes ago

I don't think AI is the most destructive at all. AI is responsible for around 1% of carbon emissions (do your own research if you want a proper source). There are so many things, such as cars that emit way more than this.

As for job loss there are so many things that have eliminated so many more jobs. Tractors, knitting machines, production lines, automation in factories etc. No one says we should stop using tractors so we can have more jobs for farmers.

also: i do knit, lol. just a coincidence in example.

That's funny, I've got a half knitted scarf somewhere but I've never gotten into it properly.

[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 3 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Could have said the same about the invention of electricity

[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 2 points 55 minutes ago

The invention of the light bulb.

That has been SO much worse than the negatives we've seen with AI. If anyone is interested, that is a horrible story socially, industrially, environmentally, etc. Definitely worth reading about.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 1 points 56 minutes ago

yes. indeed. two things can be true at once.

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[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

here is the email this screenshot is an excerpt of; the specific "X" (the thing which the message Linus is replying to here suggested perhaps AI should not be used for) was the writing of commit messages.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 45 minutes ago

That does change things a bit

[–] melfie@lemmy.zip 2 points 22 minutes ago

Maybe the rule should be that if you use AI, just make sure Linus can’t tell you did.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 59 points 3 hours ago (7 children)

When the topic is AI, the quality of some of these Lemmy threads drops down to the level of YouTube comments.

[–] alottafagina@lemmy.ml 1 points 12 minutes ago

Vague criticisms, fallacious reasoning, highly emotive language, little response to attempts at discussion (though some might engage in disingenuous discussions of shifting goalposts here and there to discourage particularly vocal engagees from future participation). So I'd say that Linus is just the latest convenient scapegoat in an Anti-AI 'trend' that will have little impact on the rate of AI adoption in the long run.

Sucks that I waited until now to try to form a measured opinion on AI because now all the discussions on the internet are hot garbage.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 38 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

I got banned from the Fuck AI community for saying Linus isn’t stupid. Not that he’s right on AI, just that he’s not stupid.

Indeed, the atmosphere is toxic.

We’re on a site where people happily discuss their arr stack or transpiring the PS5 system, but bemoan AI is killing artists and coding.

There are real ethical issues, job impacts, environmental issues, property rights issues (real and intellectual), privacy, a stack of cards economy etc.

But there is also utility, and frankly the genie is out of the bottle. For better or worse.

Catching kernel bugs in Linux with AI should be seen as a good because they’re not being exploited offensively by private actors. AI review that catches the most annoying 80% of errors or issues saves human time, while not contributing slop to the kernel.

There is a lot to discuss if you show up in good faith.

Also, Linus is an asshole. Why would anyone be surprised he reacted like an asshole? His point on his expectations is actually clear and sensible to me. He probably could have said just that, but he’s an asshole, and acting how you would expect after a bunch of people are yelling at him.

[–] Dreamcatcher@lemmy.zip 3 points 19 minutes ago* (last edited 18 minutes ago)

Just don't engage with any community that starts with "fuck" if you have any kind of nuance for the subject matter.

It's not a great time. If you don't get banned, you'll get dogpiled with angry and idiotic comments anyway, by people who have decided their own facts already.

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

Nuance is a hard concept to get in most Lemmy comment threads. It's obvious it's just a tool that uses an insane amount of resources that can do some good in certain applications. The problem stems from it being abused for evil and stupid things.

Can AI be used to help flag cancerous growths in x rays and help save lives? Absolutely! Can it also be used to track every human being on the planet for surveillance purposes while its proponents build massive biome-destroying data centers to act as the infrastructure? It sure can!

All that said, I still don't feel confident about rolling in AI code to open source projects when bots aren't accountable to their contributions. They should require a huge amount of oversight which I doubt is happening at the moment.

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[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 points 52 minutes ago* (last edited 47 minutes ago)

I got banned from saying not all that is called ai is bad by giving video game npcs from the last decades as an example.

I thought it was just llms that they where against but nope. I imagine Alan Turing spinning in his grave.

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 12 points 2 hours ago

It’s a pretty reductive take, that treats tools as politically and behaviorally inert. The work on understanding how cultural artifacts use us just as much as (or maybe more than) we use them goes back several centuries.

But Linus is just an engineer, after all. There’s no reason to treat him as some high-minded philosopher (and he’d probably be the first to tell you that). And for as long as the history of thought into the politics of artifacts may be, the history of engineers focusing only on solving the problem in front of them and not thinking about “where the rockets come down” is about as long.

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