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[–] jaycifer@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

My understanding is that AI/LLMs can generate code that works, but often that code is more bloated/convoluted than code written by a decent coder, making it less efficient and more difficult to maintain. I can see that being acceptable for many in situations where hardware/performance/maintainability aren’t a concern like a one-off app or proof of concept. But for something as low level as a kernel I would think that performance and maintainability are the most important things since slowdown in that part of the system ripples up to affect everything a user does anywhere in the operating system.

I understand that a skilled coder can take AI output and clean it up into something at least approaching the quality of their own unassisted code, and I’ve been led to believe that Linus is able to do that for himself. But I fear that other/future maintainers of Linux won’t match that caliber, and it will start to feel that AI bloat. I think I’ve also read of Linus complaining about a torrent of low-quality, AI-based submissions and so I also fear that this will lead to him restricting who can participate in the work, overcompensate, and end up in a situation where Linux becomes less open and more closed.

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[–] DjangoFett@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

My last use of AI is in my post history and was fairly down voted because I was being foolishly ironic.

This said, I don't really disagree with his take here despite keeping away from AI as much as I am reasonably able. I do my own critical thinking and hate that I have to jump through hoops on the internet to have a simple question answered without some layman's AI summary that may or may not be even remotely correct or actionable. Even still, when I asked it to check on local real estate laws and provide summaries of possible actions based on a very strict set of parameters, it gave me information that my wife and I were able to bring to a human agent and have things work out better than we had actually expected.

I think a better way of putting it - and I'm still gonna ruffle feathers - is that AI is becoming the new electricity.

Put down your pitchfork and lemme explain.

When electricity came out, people rather reasonably pointed out that simply coming into contact with an electrical device could result in death if one wasn't careful. On top of that, the infrastructure required for it was expensive, unsightly, and at the time incredibly disruptive to daily life. It was going to ruin and disrupt entire industries that had existed for centuries because it could do things a human could not do unaided.

All of this is to one degree or another entirely true even through to modern times, but electricity has become a ubiquitous resource that humanity would now deeply struggle to live without. I won't dare compare AI that far as i genuinely believe humans would be significantly better off without it, but the initial Luddite response to electricity has a historical echo here.

I think Linus' point is more that it can undoubtedly be a useful tool when used in a measured, controlled, intelligent manner, and that it is a genie that is very clearly unwilling to be put back in its bottle. Like it or not it exists, and while we can absolutely be unhappy about it, being blind to its actual real world beneficial uses because the companies that make it are actual festering waste is a bit silly - especially when in the hands of the right chaotic neutral parties these companies are about to have a massive lesson in just how messy their tools have made things.

[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 5 hours ago

heartbreaking: this Finnish nationalist is saying some good stuff

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 7 hours ago

I just want to say I was here before the downvoting started.

[–] redbrick@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

When can we get an OS truly developed by AI? ...like ground up from Claude or OpenAI?

[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Might still be better than Windows 😅

[–] redbrick@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Guess we'll just have to stick with spark for now.

[–] uszo165@futurology.today -2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

He really thinks the tools you use do not shape and limit your results and yourself. I'd take a book carefully crafted in LaTeX anytime over slop pasted from Copilot into Word. What he's not even seeing is that AI is, above all, a source of input. No other tool, not the best LaTeX editor, takes care of my writing. AI is totally different. It is the author of Linus' code, it is his ghostwriter. He did not write it. He should not claim authorship. If he's not the author, he can't legally release it as Free software under a GNU license.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That’s not how this works. If he edits that code to his specifications, even using an llm, he’s the author.

This is how it works everywhere else and this is how it will work in this situation.

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[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Does he... think LLMs are deterministic?

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[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml -3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Linus Torvalds is not an intelligent person. His argument style is extremely feeble, propped up solely from an ulterior, omnipresent appeal to authority. If he was just another poster, we would handwave his politics and social arguments as utter drivel.

He created some awesome software. Git, Linux. But the dude should have been kicked out of Linux dev a while ago. He is no longer required, and just runs his mouth constantly.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world -3 points 4 hours ago

Slop harder, Torvalds. You fucking lost it, and you're ruining Linux for everyone.

At least the other kernel maintainers still check things and catch problems, because clearly Linus Torvalds doesn't care anymore and would rather make false equivalence excuses.

[–] soyslurper2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Man, that's a shame

It's one thing to think AI is good. It's another to call others stupid for rejecting it

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[–] bantering@lemmy.zip -3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (15 children)

Lmao your hero is here to call you out on your dogmatic Amish stance and you lot just outright reject him. Absolutely wild.

[–] mmmm@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

So not being thrilled about huge corpos throwing billions of dollars destroying the environment, ruining people's minds and jobs and potentially killing us all in 10 years is a "dogmatic Luddite stance". Got it.

[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 2 points 5 hours ago

You could say the same about the railroad bubble, when companies got over excited about rail.

Or the dot com bubble, the Internet destroyed many many jobs.

[–] bantering@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 hours ago

That’s weird, I didn’t see anyone approving of those things in the original posted text and I definitely didn’t imply any of that with my comment.

Unless I was mistaken this was about Linus saying that using ai is akin to using any other tool.

Actually with some thought, you’ve convinced me.

Hell the printing press is being used by our oppressors to kill the earth. I will be deleting my account and from here on out I will only communicate and read through hand written notes.

[–] wezzzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 hours ago

You dont know shit ^^

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

He's not a hero. He's an old man past his prime.

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