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Over the same period, such deaths declined in most other developed nations, according to United Nations data.

From the WSJ article: https://www.wsj.com/us-news/the-deadly-1-5-mile-corridor-that-shows-the-fatal-flaw-in-americas-road-design-8f424579

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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

Not only have the vehicles gotten bigger, but the conservatives have purposely pushed vehicular homicide as something that is acceptable for groups like protesters. Just mention a "liberal" blocking the road to any conservative to have them quickly quip that they would run them over.

Normalizing vehicular homicide is totally a reflection of our safe and sane car culture in the US.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

They should not be legally classified as a car. That should require a special license to drive. That thing is like a freaking wheel loader.

[–] FellowHuman@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

How the F did US jumped up in 2020? Did the cars start to run into buildings to make up for the diferance in pedestrian trafic?

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 7 points 2 hours ago

In 2020, the pedestrian traffic changed from commuting to lots of people going out on daily walks, often in areas that aren't set up for pedestrians. I'm guessing that's a contributing factor.

[–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 6 points 2 hours ago

People went fucking nuts that year

[–] Muffi@programming.dev 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I went to America for the first time a year and a half ago. The biggest culture shock was definitely the horrible infrastructure. Second to that was the amount of dogs that weren't trained at all.

People talk a lot about feeling unsafe in areas like Tenderloin in SF, but being near any of the dumb, giant car traffic made me feel way more unsafe.

[–] soupcon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I've spent time in over 30 countries, including developing and emerging countries, and the US is by far the one I felt the least safe in.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

What made you feel unsafe, specifically?

[–] HappyCatLuvs_U@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

As someone without a car in the US, I am obviously pro-urban pedestrian infrastructure. We need more and better busses, and far more walking / biking options that keep us away from cars entirely. If you can't walk from any one place to any other in a city, that's two or more cities in a trench coat, you know?

I do wonder what a graph of average driven hours would do to this chart. Per 100,000 people of course shows more are dying per person. But if US citizens drive twice the total hours(completely made up number) as those in other countries, then we would actually have less pedestrian deaths per driven hour no?

[–] abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

While I do agree that we probably have less "per hour driven" I think this metric is important because it still reflects the danger to the average person. If I get hit by a car it's not going to make me feel any better to know "that person was driving for a really long time before they hit you".

Factually it's an interesting metric. But it doesn't make pedestrians feel any safer

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

On the other hand, the US has far fewer people walking around than those other countries, and this is per capita, not per 100k pedestrians

[–] SGGeorwell@lemmy.world 45 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

The US is de-civilizing itself out of frustration

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 hours ago

It really does blow my mind, if you look at graph after graph of the US compared to the world, so much of the world is in line and the US is a constant outlier and yet people venimently state how good things are and “it’s just because the US is so big”, which is a complete fallacy.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 hours ago

Always been a state of barbaric cruelty. Literally founded by enslavers.

[–] Pomal@sh.itjust.works 16 points 7 hours ago

If US Baby Boomers could read.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 28 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Terrible street design which prioritizes speed of cars over the safety of the community. The rich and selfish get to kill everyone else so they don't have to wait a bit longer crossing town.

Added bonus: the cars also pollute the fuck out of your home in the process.

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 3 points 3 hours ago

In addition, the tarmac tanks get bigger and bigger to a point where you just can't see pedestrians at all.

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

It's interesting to me that Italians have such a terrible reputation for being dangerous on the roads, and even at the start of the graph period they had lower pedestrian fatalities than the USA.

It IS that bad. However, when compared to the US, there are safety measures in place here that allow us to survive even if the drivers are awful.

To be fair, it's anecdotical, but considering the amount of craziness I see every day in my city, i'm amazed at the low amount of deaths.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

That reputation is understated, but I think it's still a more walkable country in general.

[–] exaybachae@startrek.website 14 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Hostile, selfish, and distracted drivers

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The drivers are a constant. This is a symptom of regulatory capture.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The cars are not the same. This is a consequence of regulatory failure, though.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

You can call it failure, but it's serving someone that engineered it. This isn't merely a failure to act or an unforeseen consequence, intentional choices have been made that knowingly trade human well-being for commercial interests. This is government serving capital interests before humanity or its own citizens.

I say it's specifically regulatory capture because of the way one regulatory body is defeating protections provided by another one. The dangerous and popular class of vehicles exist to thwart regulations that apply to what was previously considered normal-sized vehicles. If they could they would have just done away with the regulations, but they are limited to their captured offices' authority.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Sure, it is a failure from the perspective of public interest. It isn't an accident.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

I remember when roundabouts started to proliferate in the last 10-15 years and how there's an uproar every time a town builds a new one... but clearly it's an imperative to design roads in a way that is deliberately inconvenient and forces carbrains to fucking pay attention.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Just for a better understanding, it would ve interested to see how the share of pedestrians developed in that time. Did decrease, remain similar or even increase?

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't this largely to do with American car safety standards focusing only on the occupants of the car, rather than both the occupants and other people? Isn't the Cybertruck rated as one of the safest vehicles by US standards but is considered to dangerous to be driven on most European roads for this reason?

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

There is no evaluation of the Cybertruck in the EU, but your general description is not entirely wrong. Tesla never even tried to make that ztash can street legal in the EU, knowing that their front facing stainless steel blades have no chance because they are insane from a pedestrian safety perspective and their are rules that forbid that.

Safety authorities and regulators in the US obviously don't care much about the life of pedestrians. If they did, the Cyvertruck would not be street legal in its current form.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

US is crushing something. Pedestrians and cyclists, it seems.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago