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[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

It's SO funny how apparently for almost 20 years we (as in the west outside the USA) decided that using Chinese cloud platforms or networking hardware was dangerous and to be avoided, but private US companies? Nothing to see here!

Silver lining of the orange man is that maybe countries will wake up and smell the digital sovereignty that we sorely lack.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Can EU please make an open source phone?

We have linux for computers, but we need a "linux" for phones (yes I know Android uses Linux Kernel, I'm talking about like a Libre Non-Google OS)

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I have another question: why do some eras seem to be so free for technology to evolve and open to new entrants to create their designs and mods and why do other eras feel like traps set by investors and enclosures for consumers? The 80s/90s felt great for technology, but today it feels like they all want to take anyone's capacity to do anything beyond being a dumb paying consumer away...like they're covering all possible outcomes to come out enslaving everyone. Why didn't they do that in the 80s/90s? Am I looking at the past with rose-tinted glasses?

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago

I'm holding my breath for the pinephone to be ready for primetime. I check in on it every so often to see what the current buzz is.

[–] TheGreyGhost@lemmy.ml 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Does Graphene OS fit that description?

[–] 18107@aussie.zone 5 points 20 hours ago

It only works on Google Pixel phones.

There are other operating systems, and some more open (but more expensive) manufacturers like Fairphone and PinePhone.

[–] bigmamoth@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

U have several fork of android some are great. The issue is I need google service for a lot of proprietary app like uber, banking app etc. Linux phone exist but without an appstore it s useless

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

That's kind of the point. The EU could theoretically demand some Linux support from banks. It wouldn't be a popular decision at first, but the consumer protection agency is capable of that, banks are capable of that, and it would help a lot.
I don't think it would happen, it's cheaper for banks to lobby against it than do a bare minimum, lobbying is cheaper than anything, but still, neat idea.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 58 points 1 day ago (3 children)

So how are American companies any different then Chinese? Everyone always says Chinese companies have to listen to their government. Never got how American companies would be any different.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

One is Chinese (bad, stinky) one is American (good, freedom).

Both are authoritarian shitholes that violate the freedoms of its citizens.

[–] camelbeard@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Time to listen to this banger again

https://youtu.be/_WTBkj8gFfI

They're not different at all - the CLOUD Act (2018) and FISA courts already gave the US govt near-complete access to American tech companies' data regarldess of where it's physically stored, we just don't talk about it as much as we do with China.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Until this abomination of a law, the US was different. But the GOP is quickly adopting every fascist idea they come across.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Until this abomination of a law, the US was different.

Press X to doubt.

[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

It’s like he selectively forgot about the Snowden leaks

[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

No they werent lmfaooo

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Until this abomination of a law

The "patriot" act would like to have a word with you...

People keep forgetting that.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Is this still earth 50? Because Luthor is still president (with an orange tan and a toupé).

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 20 hours ago

just vassals lol

[–] Njos2SQEZtPVRhH@piefed.social 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If the EU doesn't combine forces to get out of this tech-dependency, than what do we have the EU for? I am a big fan the EU, it's doing many things for us already, but I'm really hoping we can work our way out of this together, and I hope we choose the FOSS-route so that we significantly help the world forward

I think our problem is a mix of corruption and tech illiteracy in the European parliament. People are either too deep in the pockets of silicon valley, or they are lazy fucks who don't understand anything about computers and are unwilling to learn, so they keep believing "Windows is easier".

[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago

YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP, LETS GOOOOOOOO!

I have been saying this for more than a decade. Shit like this is why privacy laws and stuff regarding warrants and other stuff need to be expanded to private entities as much, if not more so, than government agencies. In the past the idea of a company having that much access to people's information was unthinkable, and in almost everyone's mind it was governments we needed to be worried about.

But that hasn't been true since the 90s at least with credit cards being used for most stuff and internet purchases being the norm for almost everything.

Governments in the past needed something to ask for permission to look into you... but companies never did, and since the only thing governments need to do is either buy it or ask nicely it makes many protections kinda moot. The fact that many countries want a strict surveillance state over everyone means even the classic protections we had for a brief while are disappearing, too.

If there ever is a 2nd enlightenment with protections for people it needs to make the stuff written in the 18th and 19th century look like children's toys in comparison.

If you say 'but what about terrorism and bad people?' Look around you. They still exist and still rarely get caught unless they fuck up badly. Most of the time it still due to informants and people talking to authorities. In the US the murder rate resolution is only 50% (and that is just arrested and charged, not convicted) and this is because there is a massive distrust of the police. In other countries people are more likely to assist the police and/or they take their jobs far more seriously in terms of forensics... and on top of that they usually have a far lower murder rate which allows more time and resources to be funneled into solving major crimes.

Better to let 100 guilty men go than 1 innocent person convicted is the usual motto, but they don't believe that in practice. In reality they are very much kill them all and let God sort out his own. And we can't keep allowing that shit to happen.

[–] ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why are there no major competitors outside the USA? Is there no “Silicon Valley” in the EU?

[–] archchan@lemmy.ml 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Because the one in the US is working out so well for humanity right?

Fuck Silicon Valleys. Use and support open standards and software.

[–] ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 16 hours ago

I mean yes duh but wouldn’t it be great to have European owned data centers running Linux?

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 20 points 1 day ago

It's weird that this was something that Microsoft would have to admit, considering "The CLOUD Act" has made this mandatory for all US based companies anywhere they operate in the world. This has been a law since 2018.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 72 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

Anyone wonder where your country's health records about all their citizens are stored? I'm guessing it's all on either MS, AWS, or Google. That means Trump could get access to your medical history.

This is important because of his attacks on LGBTQ people, vaccines, abortion, autism, and who knows what other nonsense he wants to persecute.

And here in Canada the Liberal government is putting forth bill C-2, which opens up even more access to the US to get even records stored in Canada by Canadian companies.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/07/canadas-bill-c-2-opens-floodgates-us-surveillance

Feel safe yet?

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 1 points 15 hours ago

Actually it’s all in Palantir, so we’re totally safe with this non-villain coded company.

[–] Daefsdeda@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am from the Netherlands and work at a hospital, we exclusively use Microsoft software.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Here in Italy all family doctors use Gmail for safety data regularly

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[–] TomMasz@piefed.social 171 points 2 days ago (4 children)

There's no telling if that hasn't already happened. Europe needs to drop Microsoft ASAP.

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 100 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Microsoft said this, but this likely applies to AWS and GCP too.

[–] Gumus@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Check out Hetzner, a German cloud provider. Established, reliable and way cheaper than AWS.

I know migrating is nigh impossible for most large apps, but creating a new one on AWS/GCP/Azure is so shortsighted.

More people need to know about alternatives.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 39 points 2 days ago

~~Europe~~ Everyone needs to drop Microsoft ASAP

FTFY

[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago

Canada, too. For the last two years, Canada has entrusted sensitive statistical information to Microsoft. We should be treating MS with the same skepticism we currently reserve for Huawei.

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[–] appropriateghost@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

lol any EU bureaucrat who thinks otherwise is either a useful idiot or themselves compromised?

[–] LordGarmadon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Suprised Pikachu

[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How much you wanna bet they already do and have been doing for years? They already spy on the rest of us, why is this any different?

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[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 19 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I mean. They're a USA company. Of course they would be required to follow the laws of the country in which they HQ. Did anyone think anything different?

[–] trismegistos@infosec.pub 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is what data sovereignty is for.

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Then those EU firms should immediately make getting out of anything and everything Microsoft a top priority. As a US citizen, all our government and companies understand is personal profit and personal data hording. So make it hurt where they will feel it.

[–] dawcas@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 1 day ago

*shocked pikachu*

[–] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I thought gdpr forced companies to store data securely in the eu. Are they saying they'll transfer that data to the us to give Trump access, cause that's a gdpr violation and should result in fines and eventual removal from the eu market.

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Well some of those countries are part of 5 eyes, 9 eyes, and 14 eyes

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