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[–] sheppard@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is much more nuanced. Both countries' current heads of state are kinda like "all this land is my country's, the other country should not exist." It's unclear who is right.

The Russo-Ukranian conflict is clear. One leader is claiming the land of the other, the other just want it back. Ukraine's government is not claiming half of Russia.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Edit: removed implied support for Hamas. Both militaries should burn. Hope for a quick end to the conflict for the sake of the civilians affected.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

all this land is my country's, the other country should not exist.

One of those countries is an ethno-religious state that is exclusive of the other. Can you guess which one?

If you are an ethno-religious exclusivist who says "your country shouldn't exist only mine!" and I am a country that multi-religious, and say "actually my country should be the prevailing one, not your exclusivist one", you gotta realize those two are massively different, unlike you portray.

The Russo-Ukranian conflict is clear. One leader is claiming the land of the other

Russia's original pretext for the war is not about territorial gains. It was supposedly regarding Ukraine's attack on Donetsk, Luhansk, and ethnic Russian populations in general (such as the Odessa massacre), what they also called "de-nazification" of the Ukrainian government, and Ukraine's bid to join NATO. This is easily verifiable, but I can provide you a sources on this if you doubt me.

I am not claiming what Russia is saying is true, but it is not what you make it seem to make your argument.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 0 points 2 years ago

Russia’s original pretext for the war is not about territorial gains. It was supposedly regarding Ukraine’s attack on Donetsk, Luhansk, and ethnic Russian populations in general (such as the Odessa massacre), what they also called “de-nazification” of the Ukrainian government, and Ukraine’s bid to join NATO. This is easily verifiable, but I can provide you a sources on this if you doubt me.

Is that the line this week? They've been moving the goalposts so rapidly they must be on wheels (and better maintained wheels than the Russian army)

The Russian propagandista changed their lines so many times it's blindingly obvious that there's no greater good and it was supposed to be a land-grab just like when they invaded and annexed Crimea

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"Unclear who is right"

No it's pretty clear, out with the colonizer government. How is this a question?

[–] bi_tux@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Ukraine is simply more important to the countries bordering russia, the EU and it's allies

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 2 years ago

You can't compare these 2 conflicts at all.

[–] neshura@bookwormstory.social -1 points 2 years ago

ho boy, here we go again.

At this point in time that conflict has been going on for so long, I have no clue anymore who started it. So all I can do is judge both sides by their current actions without historical justification which, to me, results in fanatical religious fascists fighting fanatical religious fascists with neither side caring for civilian casualties. Not exactly a situation in which I'd support any side tbh.

[–] Gabu@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hurr durr, now that a palestinian terrorist group is attacking is the best moment to be vocal about palestinian freedom

And you people wonder why you get downvoted?

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You're telling on yourself. You genuinely don't give a shit about the Palestinian struggle. You just want them to sit down and take their genocide.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Idk if this is a hot take, but imo the war in Ukraine is pretty clear city while the Palestinian and Israeli conflict his an infinite list of wrinkles and nuances.

It's far less controversial to say the former is Russia's fault than it is to say the latter is either Palestine's or Israel's fault.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

No its not that complicated. Israel are straight up shit stains generally speaking. Have been since they immigrated to Jerusalem and then ran a coup with western support. Imagine if Russians showed up in your backyard one day took over your house and then started killing your neighbors. Meanwhile china sitting there going 'looks good to me guys!'

Swap out relative names with jews and usa.

[–] Zoldyck@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've seen so many stupid takes today, and this is one of them. The conflicts aren't similar!

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

In what ways are they different that it justifies supporting Ukraine but not Palestine?

No one is saying they're identical. But there are similarities.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago

IMO everyone should leave everyone else the fuck alone and stop trying to be modern empires, but come on man, these are VERY different situations.

[–] surge_1@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Dumb meme, the 2 situations are not similar.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

They're not identical but there are many similarities.