The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is much more nuanced. Both countries' current heads of state are kinda like "all this land is my country's, the other country should not exist." It's unclear who is right.
The Russo-Ukranian conflict is clear. One leader is claiming the land of the other, the other just want it back. Ukraine's government is not claiming half of Russia.
"Unclear who is right"
No it's pretty clear, out with the colonizer government. How is this a question?
It isn’t that nuanced. The colonized, subjugated population is rising up rather than laying down to continue getting slaughtered.
Liberate Palestine.
From the river to the sea
"Lets have some nuance" people on their way to defend Nazi war criminals
all this land is my country's, the other country should not exist.
One of those countries is an ethno-religious state that is exclusive of the other. Can you guess which one?
If you are an ethno-religious exclusivist who says "your country shouldn't exist only mine!" and I am a country that multi-religious, and say "actually my country should be the prevailing one, not your exclusivist one", you gotta realize those two are massively different, unlike you portray.
The Russo-Ukranian conflict is clear. One leader is claiming the land of the other
Russia's original pretext for the war is not about territorial gains. It was supposedly regarding Ukraine's attack on Donetsk, Luhansk, and ethnic Russian populations in general (such as the Odessa massacre), what they also called "de-nazification" of the Ukrainian government, and Ukraine's bid to join NATO. This is easily verifiable, but I can provide you a sources on this if you doubt me.
I am not claiming what Russia is saying is true, but it is not what you make it seem to make your argument.
Russia’s original pretext for the war is not about territorial gains. It was supposedly regarding Ukraine’s attack on Donetsk, Luhansk, and ethnic Russian populations in general (such as the Odessa massacre), what they also called “de-nazification” of the Ukrainian government, and Ukraine’s bid to join NATO. This is easily verifiable, but I can provide you a sources on this if you doubt me.
Is that the line this week? They've been moving the goalposts so rapidly they must be on wheels (and better maintained wheels than the Russian army)
The Russian propagandista changed their lines so many times it's blindingly obvious that there's no greater good and it was supposed to be a land-grab just like when they invaded and annexed Crimea
Id consectetur dolore eiusmod culpa.
It's more propoganda than nuance.
Edit: removed implied support for Hamas. Both militaries should burn. Hope for a quick end to the conflict for the sake of the civilians affected.
I feel like the people should have some say in who they want governing them.
It’s unclear who is right.
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-184195/
- Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for their independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial domination, apartheid and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;
Seems pretty clear.
I get that there is lot more nuances than russo-ukrainian, but imo there is a lot more similarities than you seem to imply : both Russia and Israel claimed that the land belonged to them before, that they should get it back, and use violence to kill local people who tried to resist or move them. The only difference is that Israel did it with the help of western countries and partially according to their laws, so they get like an aura of legitimity, but the acts remains quite close.
I do not like when people basically do not accept violent behavior but accepts them when they are allowed by some law or authority.
(Also yes Hamas is doing bad things and should be held accountable in some way, just like Ukraine to my eyes. But still, for me it remains obvious who kills more, who steals more, who oppresses more)
Hamas might be doing terrible things, but they are also fighting a disproportionate war, and it's not like Israel is respecting any of the human rights conventions either.
And in Ukraine, the Ukrainian army is fighting for freedom from invaders and fighting a disproportionate war too, and are committing war crimes like torture of prisons or targeting of energy infrastructure just like Russia is doing.
War is always messy. To paint Hamas as exceptionally evil is unfair and probably an outcome of racial bias.
There is nuance to Ukraine Russia war too. Yes Russia is the obvious aggressor, and strengthened secession movements in eastern Ukraine through propaganda, but there were always some ethnically Russian people living there who felt they belong more with Russia.
They, along with the help of Russia were leading some kind of separatist movement and Ukraine bombed their own citizens to quel this issue. It's hard to tell amidst all the propaganda on both sides, but there is definitely nuance here. Also not to mention Ukraine flirting with NATO membership was apparently a red line for Putin.
Simple, Palestinians are brown and have less resources that America wants/needs.
I’m with both Palestinians and Ukrainians.
idk, from an american perspective, pretty sure the americans that support Ukraine also support Palestine, whereas the americans that support Russia also support Israel.
mostly certain.
pretty sure the americans that support Ukraine also support Palestine
I'd like to see those people square that up with this: https://thelemmy.club/pictrs/image/90177c67-3aa3-4cb6-88cb-72c96b2a441d.jpeg
i mean, supporting a country's current struggle doesn't equal supporting every view of that country's leader.
shrug
Because the TV tells them who to support
I'm so proud of my government for acting consistently. They support Russia and Israel.
(I get why they're doing it, but it still feels wrong.)
Palestine needs a state and so does Israel
Broke: Two-state solution
Woke: One-state solution
Bespoke: Zero-state solution
Ukraine is simply more important to the countries bordering russia, the EU and it's allies
You can't compare these 2 conflicts at all.
