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[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

So what does that mean going forward? Going forward, I'm still going to push,” he added.

So going forward, I mean to be going forward.

[–] reptar@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

If there was any job LLM AI were best suited to replace, it's these tech CEOs

[–] TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world 29 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Protons CEO is a weapons grade assclown.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

So, funny story that might be related. Engineers directed by their management to tokenmaxx often will just prompt very complex, difficult tasks to drive up their token usage.

Using the metric as the goal is a great way to give perverse incentives. SEE ALSO the US Stock Exchange.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, getting metrics on software development has always been a problem from the first time people were writing code in the employ of a business.

Businesses love metrics. Put them on spreadsheet makes some graphs, that's what some people do as their job.

The problem is you can't actually measure the productivity of someone that's doing something that's never been done before. Software development is always about doing things that haven't been done before. If you want the same software, you just copy it, you don't need a developer. You only need a developer to make the software do something it doesn't currently do, which means having someone do something they've never done before.

You just can't measure the productivity on that. But businesses want to have some numbers, so they chuck whatever numbers they have into a spreadsheet.

[–] clif@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

You might be interested in this (it was super timely for me 6 months ago) : https://leehanchung.github.io/blogs/2026/04/05/the-ai-great-leap-forward/

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

That science adage: To measure, is to change.

[–] i_love_FFT@jlai.lu 9 points 7 hours ago

When a metric becomes a goal, it's no longer a good metric.

[–] necrobius@lemmy.zip 43 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

"We're not making money fast enough so let's alienate our core userbase and create a toxic work environment! That will surely be a success!"

[–] dasrael@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

This 100% actually stopped me from moving my mail hosting to Proton. I'm looking at Tuta now and alternatives. And it's not even the AI stuff so much as his insane toxic behaviour towards his people...the AI psychosis is almost secondary...

[–] el_eh_chase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

What are the options out there for email?

[–] dasrael@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 hours ago

That I know of? Runbox, Tuta and a handful of others...but those two I like.

[–] ColonelThirtyTwo@pawb.social 1 points 6 hours ago

I've been using PurelyMail

The only other free option that I know of is Tuta, and it doesn't have VPN or cloud storage like Proton does. I'm holding my breath hoping the Tuta management team doesn't turn out ot be assholes tooo....

[–] amgine@lemmy.world 23 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I just double checked (while canceling this years subscription) and I’ve been paying for proton for 10 years. I put in my cancellation notes that Andy is the reason I’m canceling and I won’t reconsider until he’s replaced.

[–] inquanto@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

same here, just cancelled today with him and his leadership style as the reason

[–] barnacles@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 hours ago

I was actually going to move off Zoho to them, and actually pay for my email

Outstanding timing

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 26 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This does very little to convice me to not migrate away.
My #1 issue was them sacrificing Security for Speed and this latest change does jack shit to address it

[–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I'm thinking the same. His whole "more prompting, faster, security is for losers" mentality is not going away with this. I'm glad I swapped to my own domain name at least when swapped to proton, so the next migration should hopefully be easier. Does anyone know any good guides or have any tips? Mainly worried that there will probably be a period I won't have any emails coming in and would be a shame to get stuck in that position 😅 Specifically around changing the DNS records around

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 22 points 13 hours ago

Damage is already done, though. Get fucked, Andy.

[–] DidIReallySayThat@lemmy.world 13 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Look, I am not a tech dynamo, so what can people like me use in place of Proton?

[–] faux2pas@discuss.online 8 points 11 hours ago

I use and recommend Fastmail.

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 13 hours ago

Andy needs to be fired.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 54 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

I swear that money nukes brain cells.

“Due to insufficient velocity,” Proton is not on track to achieve its annual recurring revenue target by the end of the year, one internal document obtained by 404 Media reads. Proton’s year-over-year growth is also “far away from what the market today considers to be good,” and, “By all metrics that matter, we’re an underperforming company.”

What a bunch of imbeciles. People that use Proton are in it because they value security and privacy. Any AI produced code that's not vetted is inherently insecure, and a huge "fuck you" to privacy as a whole.

"We're no tmaking enough money fast enough, let's go the slop-route". Fucking idiot, what do you think is going to happen the moment the security crowd and the privacy crowd hear about this?

I for one have been preparing to jump ship from my family plan subscription the moment it expires, precisely because of this bullshit Yen has been pushing in the last year or so, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

I do believe that Yen started proton from a good place, but as is natural for these fuckers, the sight of money completely replaces whatever working segments of their brains were working with shit.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I swear that money nukes brain cells.

You're not wrong. When people get a sufficient amount of wealth or political power, they end up surrounded by sycophants who want a taste of their sweet lucre, or to have that power directed towards a specific agenda, or just to be adjacent to privilege.

Compare the environment that induces AI psychosis.

The effect happens at small scale too. An experiment involving Monopoly games in which one person (chosen at random) got bonus money and turns, the privileged player would get louder, eat more of the snacks and attribute their victory to their skill rather than their bonuses.

[–] zombieshotgun@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Can you link to source? Would love to read this.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Look up Paul Piff, who's the social psychologist who set up the experiment. He did a TED talk on the experiment, Does Money Make You Mean?

I heard about it first on Gary's Economics' YouTube video on Elon Musk.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago

Thanks. Pretty insightful.

[–] perturbedstarstuff@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago

... and it is only in so far as the appropriation of even more and more wealth in the abstract becomes the sole motive of his operations, that he functions as a capitalist, that is, as capital personified and endowed with consciousness and a will.

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[–] Nexyte@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

What would you recommend for someone having a Proton Pass Lifetime membership? Just keep using it or migrating to somewhere else? Or just keep using it since I wont pay anything. Proton Pass is their only service I am using.

[–] amgine@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

I have that as well. I’m not really a fan of the UI. Self hosted vaultwarden is where I’m headed. Although with the way Bitwarden corp has been acting lately I’ll probably have to move off that too

[–] rbb36@lemmy.world 30 points 18 hours ago

Dear Proton Engineers,

He means they won't do it yet, because the backlash is causing problems. Either because they fear the loss of customers, or because they fear the engineers leaving before getting their replacements trained.

I suspect some folks would poison the training while looking for another job.

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