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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

Damage is already done, though. Get fucked, Andy.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 57 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I swear that money nukes brain cells.

“Due to insufficient velocity,” Proton is not on track to achieve its annual recurring revenue target by the end of the year, one internal document obtained by 404 Media reads. Proton’s year-over-year growth is also “far away from what the market today considers to be good,” and, “By all metrics that matter, we’re an underperforming company.”

What a bunch of imbeciles. People that use Proton are in it because they value security and privacy. Any AI produced code that's not vetted is inherently insecure, and a huge "fuck you" to privacy as a whole.

"We're no tmaking enough money fast enough, let's go the slop-route". Fucking idiot, what do you think is going to happen the moment the security crowd and the privacy crowd hear about this?

I for one have been preparing to jump ship from my family plan subscription the moment it expires, precisely because of this bullshit Yen has been pushing in the last year or so, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

I do believe that Yen started proton from a good place, but as is natural for these fuckers, the sight of money completely replaces whatever working segments of their brains were working with shit.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I swear that money nukes brain cells.

You're not wrong. When people get a sufficient amount of wealth or political power, they end up surrounded by sycophants who want a taste of their sweet lucre, or to have that power directed towards a specific agenda, or just to be adjacent to privilege.

Compare the environment that induces AI psychosis.

The effect happens at small scale too. An experiment involving Monopoly games in which one person (chosen at random) got bonus money and turns, the privileged player would get louder, eat more of the snacks and attribute their victory to their skill rather than their bonuses.

[–] zombieshotgun@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Can you link to source? Would love to read this.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Look up Paul Piff, who's the social psychologist who set up the experiment. He did a TED talk on the experiment, Does Money Make You Mean?

I heard about it first on Gary's Economics' YouTube video on Elon Musk.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 1 points 16 hours ago

Thanks. Pretty insightful.

... and it is only in so far as the appropriation of even more and more wealth in the abstract becomes the sole motive of his operations, that he functions as a capitalist, that is, as capital personified and endowed with consciousness and a will.

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[–] adhdsergio@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

I mean the best way to make them understand is to comply with their vision to the point where you make them eat their words. If i was a proton employee i would vibe code the shit out of everything until they've got a security breach every day. The only reason these kinds of execs only listen to one thing: profits. Just saying

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[–] DidIReallySayThat@lemmy.world 13 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Look, I am not a tech dynamo, so what can people like me use in place of Proton?

[–] faux2pas@discuss.online 9 points 22 hours ago

I use and recommend Fastmail.

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago

Andy needs to be fired.

[–] rbb36@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

Dear Proton Engineers,

He means they won't do it yet, because the backlash is causing problems. Either because they fear the loss of customers, or because they fear the engineers leaving before getting their replacements trained.

I suspect some folks would poison the training while looking for another job.

[–] TheUnicornOfPerfidy@feddit.uk 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ahh, here's the largest part of the problem.

They said they felt not much could have happened due to Yen having the majority of Proton’s shares.

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[–] hanke@feddit.nu 224 points 1 day ago (36 children)

In one exchange, an employee in the company’s security Slack channel urged Proton to at least take a few days to pentest newly written code before pushing it live. “That’s bullshit and loser thinking. Of course it’s possible to be fast and secure,” Yen wrote in the channel at the end of August. “Stop thinking always of how to be slower, and focus more on how to be faster.” Yen added, “stop lovingly handcrafting all our code and use AI more.”

Yikes, this Yen guy seems really charming

[–] melfie@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 day ago

stop lovingly handcrafting all our code

I guess they’re headquartered in Switzerland, but have American values. It’s a shame, because having privacy engineered like a Swiss watch makes a lot of sense.

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[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 403 points 1 day ago (42 children)

It will be impossible to trust this company again until Yen and the rest of the C-suite resign.

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[–] Magnum@infosec.pub 61 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Cancelled my subscription too.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 284 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He has to go and the Proton workers have to form a union.

[–] Wakko@hell.cloud 179 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Every worker at every tech company needs to unionize.

[–] ahornsirup@feddit.org 133 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Every worker at every company needs to unionise.

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[–] soratoyuki@piefed.zip 140 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Near the start of the meeting, Yen said, “I want to acknowledge myself, personally, that there was a communication failure on my part and there are many things that probably could and should have been communicated differently, and this is something that I’ll have to reflect on and improve over time. So I will do that.”

“So what does that mean going forward? Going forward, I'm still going to push,” he added.

Uh. This news makes everything about 0% better.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 93 points 1 day ago

"Claude, write an apology for me that blames miscommunication but still acknowledges that I will not meaningfully change my behavior at the heart of the issue."

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I canceled my sub today.

Zero interest in using a product voluntarily that's clearly not being tested adequately. I get enough of that having to use MS Teams at work, which has really just become whatever buggy crap MS' vibe coders feel like vomiting into production in a given day.

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