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[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 33 points 10 hours ago

It's not the EU yet. It's a group of activists from Denmark. There wasn't even preliminary voting on it yet.
Doesn't mean we need to be complacent of course, but so far nothing happened.

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 21 points 15 hours ago

Thank god my OS doesn't care about EU regulation

[–] join@lemmy.ml 68 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Maybe it’s time to restart some some old Greek traditions and propose a law that anyone proposing chat control - from here on out - gets banished for life from entering European soil ever again.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 4 points 14 hours ago

I am in favour of this proposal.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

They were smart, those oiled fish-eating goatfuckers. So maybe yes, that - and also sortition and ostracism.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

oiled-fish

Sun-rotten fish guts even, called Garum. Or nowadays Colatura di Alici, Pissata from Nizza, etc.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 15 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

The fuck is happening over there? Was there lead in the water?

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 15 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Authoritarianism, duh. It’s a global thing.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

You're answering the how, but I'm asking for the why. 😅

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 3 points 5 hours ago

Evil people doing evil things because they’re evil. They want more than they have any right to and are willing to throw everyone else under the bus.

[–] ISOmorph@feddit.org 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Financial issues among the general populace due to consolidation of wealth > oligarchs create propaganda that brown people are to blame > uneducated masses vote for authoritarians with empty promises

It's the same program human civilisation has know for millenia

[–] goatinspace@feddit.org 4 points 15 hours ago
[–] Mavytan@feddit.nl 82 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Ugh, this shit again...

Are there any initiatives out there to call a stop to this? Or even better, initiatives to introduce legislation that forbids setting up this kind of surveillance infrastructure altogether?

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

The annoying thing is that some states like Germany pretty much prohibit surveillance of this extend by constitution. It couldn‘t be made any harder for a legislation like this to pass and yet they keep trying.

[–] Noja@sopuli.xyz 18 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] katkit@lemmy.world 1 points 14 minutes ago

Patrick Breyer with the pirate party is my go to example of why small parties and extraparliamentary opposition is important. 99% of the people don't even know him and he's just doing such an sucessful job of protecting them anyway.

[–] angelmountain@feddit.nl 22 points 20 hours ago

Your local Pirate Party and organizations like Bits of Freedom can help out.

[–] 332@feddit.nu 121 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Absolutely unacceptable and ridiculous.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 16 points 23 hours ago

Keep them informed, of course they care about your opinion, especially seeing how anyplace else in the world where such things were introduced there were successful revolutions and people doing that ended up in jail. Oops.

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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

you know this means they get the keys, right?

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 14 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Wtf. Is Signal going to be affected? I just recently installed Signal on my phone.

[–] oppy1984@lemdro.id 39 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Signal has already stated that they will pull out of the UK if they go through with their version of this, I imagine they'll say the same for the EU.

Get a good VPN, exit it from a non-5 eyes country, and hope they don't start blocking by phone number alone.... and hopefully they'll drop the phone number requirement sooner than later.

Also, welcome to Signal!

[–] camr_on@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

~~I think they already dropped the phone number req, not sure though~~

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

No, still required. However, you can have a username of sorts to give to people and block finding you by phone number in the platform.

[–] camr_on@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

Ah, that's what I was thinking of then

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 48 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] RedPandaRaider@feddit.org 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hey at least Stasi only spied on people they suspected.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago

That's due to the limitation at the time.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago

Their kind never leaves the chat, it's a professional habit

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 20 points 23 hours ago

Welcome to earth, Everybody Sucks Here.

[–] krigo666@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Zak@lemmy.world 72 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you're a citizen of an EU country, you should contact your politicians to tell them not to, maybe they won't.

It only has to pass once, and they keep trying.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Some keep trying. That's how democracy and politics works in general.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 46 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Many people in the US thought “He won’t”

So, call your representatives.

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[–] cabbage@piefed.social 14 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah. "EU wants this, EU wants that" - bullshit, the EU has no will of its own. A set of politicians within the EU, on the other hand.

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[–] capuccino@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

time to make my own shitty ass software to deal with this stuff

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 4 points 14 hours ago

Let us know when it's ready for Alpha testing. Most of us will gladly give it a shot and help iron it out.

[–] alvyn@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 21 hours ago

The never stop trying. Fucking incompetent dumm politicians.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

So, need a non-homicidal, non-EU country to run an XMPP server then...

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Or matrix, which I prefer. XMPP has a myriad of issues, and matrix is more modern with a better ecosystem of clients and servers.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Too heavy and bloated, and too centralized in its design philosophy, not to mention big capital flowing through Matrix from Israel and the issues with metadata making it a privacy disaster.

Here's a blog that agrees with me so I don't seem lazy: https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/matrix-vs-xmpp/

I get your blogger's concern over OMEMO versions being out of whack and their encryption choices being all over the place, but other than it being somewhat of a mess, I don't see how it devalues the service as much as he thinks. (a bit melodramatic imo) I've yet to meet someome whos client can't decode my messages or mine theirs and I've never heard of any successful hack, but maybe maybe.

[–] PleaseLetMeOut@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (5 children)

So Canada?

(They do have a history of going a little overboard with the homicidal stuff. But they've come a long way in the last few decades.)

[–] buffing_lecturer@leminal.space 10 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

A lot overboard, really. There is a long way to go for truth and reconciliation.

As for data safety, its not looking too great: https://tuta.com/blog/canada-bill-c2-surveillance

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[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 16 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Compelling search engines to deindex results, age verification, chat monitoring: stay golden, EU.

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