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Belgium Targets Internet Archive's 'Open Library' in Sweeping Site Blocking Order (torrentfreak.com)
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[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 10 minutes ago

To think about it ... "major shadow libraries". That's something wrong now.

So - there was a liberal (bourgeois) revolution, there was a labor revolution, and now, I think, we must have another revolution. The word "libertarian" is unfortunately associated with ancap, despite being the same as "anarchist", which is unfortunately associated with ancom. And the word "democratic" has lost any meaning it had.

So they'll have to invent some new term.

But the time is nigh.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

Just checked, indeed blocked.
Another new warning page.
We had the Russian, Chinese, etc... censorhip page.
The dubious porn or drugs warning page.
And now this, the 'forbidden' page mentions illegal gambling sites for some reason.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 22 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Belgium can go fuck itself with all the waffles and chocolate it exploits from other countries.

[–] YknsNMo000@thelemmy.club 6 points 4 hours ago

Waffles did nothing wrong :(

Copyright is stupid everywhere

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago

Weird

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 42 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Is there any European nation that favors freedom of press?

I was planning on emigrating there, due to LGBTQIA+ rights, metros, and elevation. But this has soured my choice.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

you can't just emigrate to somewhere. (are you nihon jin?)
Curious about your elevation point, since we (with NL) are called the low countries.
Flat as a pancake except for some Ardennes, which are nice.
If it's for climate stuff you should know this means we are on or just above sea level, and some even below.
We do get high a lot tho.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 55 minutes ago

nihon jin?)

ja

Curious about your elevation point

Over 60+meters above sea level, expecting all the glaciers melt after 3.0°C

I’m aware how lengthy and unaccepting emigrations are throughout Europe. I know at minimum it takes 6months to 3 years to validate permanent residency.

[–] KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I'd expect it to be cracked down entirely within the next 2-3 years. The EU has wet dreams of absolute control

[–] YknsNMo000@thelemmy.club 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Intellectual property is stupid, but I don't know why you would blame belgium especially here. The whole world signed threaty regarding copyrights.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 1 hour ago

Are you asking me why I don't want Belgium bereft off international knowledge their physical libraries do not possess?

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 5 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

In The Netherlands we still have a freedom of press: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/media-en-publieke-omroep/persvrijheid-bewaken and we are also progressive on the LGBTQ+ front.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 1 hour ago

But it's Netherlands.

They haven’t built mountains, and it will get resubmerged. It’s the deelevation/sinking that I haven't emigrated foremost. Everything else, yes, I want to become a citizen for.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

The way it’s portrayed online you’d think the Netherlands is the most civilized society ever formed by humankind. I know that nowhere is perfect, but it does seem like a really nice place to live. If only the language weren’t so silly.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

LOL Try saying something about Palestine

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd say that European nations have a different understanding of press freedom. Mind that the individual nations have different attitudes toward this.

In Germany, press means mainly newspapers. The publishers owning these papers are very keen on copyright enforcement. Copyright does conflict with freedom of information but, I think, most would not see a conflict with press freedom.

The EU is determined to regulate who is allowed to use data for what purpose and to create the legal tools to enforce that. That's not limited to copyright. I'm very worried about that trend on many levels.

But I don't think Yuri creators will face problems in most EU countries in the foreseeable future.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 25 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

But blocking Anna's Archive, Libgen, OceanofPDF, Z-Library, and the Internet Archive's Open Library is such a terrible way to express that you hate press.

Science and academics should be freely pressed, without the authoritarianism of copyright. If my yuri koma was discussing prion synthesis, one shouldn’t deter me for referencing the journal.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You can see how trully Freedom-loving mainstream Liberal parties are, even in Europe, by looking at the domains were Freedom Of Ideas clashes with Ideas As Property such as science publishing: almost all of those "Liberal" mainstream parties side with the Owner Class in expanding and increasing enforcement of the "though shall not share without paying" Intellectual Property laws that let some make money of something they are only able to own due to such laws (those laws are literally anti-natura in that ideas are naturally shared), rather than with the natural freedom of sharing.

The way States support and impose Intellectual Property is really just a facet of the broader societal problem of politics in Capitalist nations (even those disguised as "Democracy") not really working for the many.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

those laws are literally anti-natura in that ideas are naturally shared

Bludgeoned heads are pro-natura, but not very good.

is really just a facet of the broader societal problem of politics in Capitalist nations (even those disguised as “Democracy”)

In Democratic Kampuchea, on the other hand, there was no intellectual property. Everything intellectual was forbidden and punishable by death, in fact, even eyeglasses, even knowing how to read and write (except if you were an official, or a railway worker, or an ambassador, or someone similarly necessary).

All you had to do was work, and your Khmer blood would lead you on, all Blut und Boden.

Sorry, just watched The Killing Fields yesterday and remembered of ... that.

Your arguments could be more persuasive if you'd drop that "capitalist vs socialist" stuff, outside of golden billion countries it doesn't work very well.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Wow, your entire "argument" is literally nothing more than a collection of Strawmen, False Dichotomy Falacies and McCarthist-style slogans (yeah, sure mate, any critique of anything at all in modern Capitalism must be "Socialism").

Five paragraphs of tribalist muppet kneejerk slogans deployed in defense of the notion that Ideas should be Property, no less.

Only Socialists would want to have published Scientific Papers freely available to all and for there to be archives of published digital works in the day and age of zero cost publishing and distribution on the Internet: the evils of Socialism can only be avoid if for absolutelly everything, somebody somewhere is getting paid.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 hours ago

This is unreadable, due to German capitalization in English text in part, but also due to pure inadequacy.

I shared my associations with what you said, and then expressed my actual point in one sentence.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 10 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Yes. It is a big problem for Europe. I don't expect that it will be fixed in the foreseeable future. In fact, it is being made worse in many ways.

You may reference and quote journal articles. That's something I expect will stay allowed.

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 96 points 1 day ago (25 children)

Wow Belgium, I thought you were a bit cooler than that

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (4 children)

People, including many Europeans, make a lot of assumptions about Europe.

Americans in particular seem to assume that issues fall along the same political Dem/Rep divide as in the US. That gives them bad ideas. European countries have more solid social safety nets, more accessible and cheaper health care and education, more developed and usable public transport systems, ...

On other issues like immigration or racism, they are on a MAGA-level. There is no big controversy because it is widely taken for granted that European nations are ethno-states. This is less so in the former colonial powers Britain and France. But they have their own baggage that gnaws at them from within, just like the history of racial segregation undermines the USA.

Another area where Europe is just different from the US is freedom of information. It's just not respected in the same way. Intellectual property, on the other hand, is held in much higher regard. That's how it has been for a long time.

Now that the copyright industry is waging an all-out lobby battle against citizens, you can expect much more like this.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Americans in particular seem to assume that issues fall along the same political Dem/Rep divide as in the US.

Yes. As someone who grew in Russia, if I'd talk freely and casually about politics in the way we do here, with Americans IRL nearby, I'd probably be literally lynched regardless of those being majority Democrat or majority Republican minded, and if those Americans were sufficiently inattentive, even by a mixed crowd. Things associated with freedom and dignity and just human treatment of each other here are associated with fascism there, and the other way around. And it's very counterintuitive. And also honestly Americans and continental Europeans (but not Brits) generally feel more like peasants with pitchforks than like Russians, in every political-minded discussion. It really feels that they'd be perfectly fine with everyone disagreeing being relocated six feet under, and the purpose of the discussion is usually to let you atone and ask for mercy. Despite all the stereotypes about Russians, this is not the case here, you might get insults, but not that heavy unwillingness to accept your side's existence.

Though that was 10 years ago, now in the Russian-language space there's much wariness of propaganda and legal problems for speech and so on, so people speak less freely, while a loud minority of bootlickers likely outside Russia repeat some combination of American points, more similar to a Republican set, but at the same time certain they'd be loved by Democrats. It's weird.

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 day ago

The billionaires are the real enemy, regardless of what flag flies over your land, and they're trying like hell to make sure no one realizes it is the billionaires everywhere that are not only happy to see, but in many cases actually behind all of this chaos and strife. War is good for business, we are cannon fodder for their ambitions. The story hasn't changed in centuries, only the dollar figures involved have.

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[–] PushButton@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

EU used to be cool I guess.

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