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Hi everyone,

I’m choosing a default search engine and I’m torn between DuckDuckGo and Brave Search. What matters most to me:

Privacy: what’s actually logged, and can the claims be trusted? Independence from Big Tech: DDG partly relies on Bing, while Brave has its own index. Result quality: relevance for daily, technical and niche queries. Trust: track record, controversies, business model.

Which one do you use daily, and why? Have you noticed a real quality difference? Thanks!

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I stopped using DDG because it kept steering me to articles that were rehosted with paywalls by MSN instead of the actual source of the content.

I use Brave mostly, because they at least pretend to be private, and I actually get some decent results.

Unsurprisingly the best results come from Kagi, the paid service, primarily because they let you cater the results to your preferences. You can blacklist certain sites, prefer others, and even search the "small web" for blogs and such from smaller creators, and the Fediverse at large.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Why pay for some company to watch over you and your searchs? If you want real private searching it comes down to searXNG!

[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Agreed, hosting is probably the most private web search we have. Only your IP address is still sent to the actual search engines searXNG calls. Using a VPN would solve this last bit too.

An extreme alternative would also be Tor.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 0 points 6 hours ago

SearXNG is not absolute privacy either. They don't each have their own index.

No one pays "for some company to watch over you". The reason why you pay I already gave: because it's better at what it does.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I use mainly Startpage and Mojeek, sometimes Ecosia and Qwant. Not so for privacy, but by far the best for image search is Yandex (yes, I know). But anyway there is always needed to use several search engines + specific page searches for an deeper research. Respect privacy there are only few conditions, the search engine don't log your searches (avoiding filter bubble), don't use AI of big corps, no SEO crap and don't use tracking cookies, given in most engines except Google, Bing and Yahoo. Privacy isn't a main problem in other engines as these and finish when you visit the searched page, where the protection from any search engine finish if you do it without proxy or VPN.

[–] ComradePedro@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I’ve been using DDG as my default for probably longer than I ever used Google, so I’ll share my thoughts on it

What I like:

  • Nice UI with plenty of options
  • Optional AI features
  • Great image search with tons of filters and an AI slop blocker that works reasonably well

What I don’t like:

  • Localized results are not good (Startpage might be better for those)
  • No LLM search API, so I use Brave API for that

They’ve had controversies in the past, but I’ve not heard of any in recent years tbh

[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

AI slop blocker

How does this work? I mean how decides it is Ai slop or not?

[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago

For LLM I use open-websearch which supports a ton of search engines

[–] tigerhawkvok@startrek.website 2 points 8 hours ago

Kagi in general, and if I feel extra strongly about privacy, I use Privacy Pass mode which is cryptographically guaranteed private.

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

SearXNG is a little tricky to set up, but worthwhile. If you're lazy, I trust DDG over Brave any day of the week.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

I went from the Google to Ecosia and then searXNG. I guess I left ecosia before they went on the big AI trip.

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 48 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Daily reminder that the majority of alternative search engines get their upstream results from Bing or Google. As part of their agreements with Microsoft and Google, they may share some information with them. This is not a secret or anything; you can read it all in their terms of service.

Also a reminder that most of these search engines are black boxes. They're all closed source and all we have is their "just trust us" promises of privacy and security and none of them have been audited by trusted third parties as far as I am aware. At this point, just use the one that most closely aligns with your personal values and ethics.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 5 points 19 hours ago

“Just trust us,” on the promises of privacy is pusing it, they are all openly sellling your information.

[–] ItsNotImportant24@lemmy.ml 29 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

If you do any self-hosting, hosting your own instance of SearXNG is a much better way to go. No AI and you actually get results for what you search for. It pulls results from all the other search engines and you can choose which engines you want in settings, and it masks your IP so the other search engines don't see where the requests actually come from. But even if you don't self-host, SearXNG is just a much better privacy respecting search engine anyway.

[–] mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

There is a new Linux distro that includes hardened Zen browser and a tool to set up SearXNG locally. There is also an option to have the searches run through three TOR relays. It makes it all super easy to setup if you’re not someone who is self-hosting other services.

[–] ItsNotImportant24@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Hmmmm, interesting. What is the name of this distro, if you don't mind me asking.

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I just started self hosting a Nextcloud instance and I’m absolutely going to look into using Searx on it now. I forgot that was a possibility.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 8 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Be careful; one project turns into two, which turns into 3, which turns into a lifestyle! I use searXNG and have a wireguard instance into my LAN so that I can access the nth service I just set up that I cannot believe I have been living without when I am away from the LAN!

May I also suggest pihole be in your list of things to try out, or adguard home if that is they way you swing I will not judge. Once you get your ad blocking setup you will really start noticing the ads in other places and you will then need to go further into ad blocking, when you decide to get your own domain name may I suggest you find a provider that offers a wildcard email option, if you need a free trial service just a little longer create a new account with a new email address or if something gets spammy just have things sent to that address either bounced and deleted or just deleted before it gets to your inbox.

[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

Be careful; one project turns into two, which turns into 3

Actually two turns into four! Otherwise I agree with your reply. :-) My next step for searXNG would be to set it up on a low powered device to access from public (for myself only), and use a VPN on it with rotating IPs. To accessing it outside my home. But I'm not ready for that yet. I'm also kind of scared to get hacked someday.

[–] excursion22@piefed.ca 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

And then you find Home Assistant and don't stop until you literally have the lights automatically be precisely on you and only you, wherever you go in your house.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 hours ago

I am in some self hosting lemmy group, I was given so much heck for still using ring, I needed to fix a motion sensor flood light when I figured it out and told people what I had done I got so many downvotes.

I get it ring is not good, but I have a vLAN (10.6.66.0/24) that does not have access to the WAN.

[–] ItsNotImportant24@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I run my containers through Tailscale to be able to access my services away from home. But yes, you're right one container turns into adding another container and on and on. But its a better way than depending on other services that spy and track, etc. I still have a lot that I need to learn and add to the server but for the most part it accomplishes everything I want when I decided to start a server.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I use wireguard on my openWRT firewall, any ISP firewall/modem/router is a joke.

[–] ItsNotImportant24@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, I actually want to learn to build my own router and learn to set up openWRT, etc. Its a fairly new field to me but I know its something I need to learn. ISP routers are definitely a joke.

[–] ohshit604@lemmy.halstead.host 2 points 15 hours ago

Just wait until you start learning about reverse proxies!

[–] ItsNotImportant24@lemmy.ml 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Yep, highly recommend it. Its easy to setup, especially if you already know a little about self-hosting.

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 minute ago

What should someone who has got 0 idea of how to even start self hosting, start with?

[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@lemmy.ca 34 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

DDG has a no ai version which is what I use.

https://noai.duckduckgo.com/

[–] doodeux@scribe.disroot.org 15 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Or the HTML version which I think looks nicer. https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/

You can add this link as a custom search engine to your browser. https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q=%25s

[–] sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I tried NoAI DDG vs Lite vs HTML. Why do No AI and Lite have identical results while HTML is similar but might be reordered or have one or two different results?

Or the HTML version

Thanks for this! HTML version is clean af

[–] tales_origin@feddit.org 21 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I use qwant, mainly because its european. The quality is not that good imo, but its ok for my usage

[–] CarlSagan42@lemmy.world 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Same, cause its European and it also is building its own independent index!

[–] Ohh@lemmy.ml 3 points 14 hours ago

Yes. But it's the only one, who refuses to work if you try to use it without JavaScript. So ddg for me + canvasblocker on firefox / brave browser which also blocks your fingerprint. (But since brave is a an AI and crypto company, i must say... Trust is not what i have a lot of)

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