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[–] PokerChips@programming.dev 18 points 1 day ago

This is also why (I think) that younger people don't like going outside. Cameras are everywhere. There's no privacy. We've become a world of creeps. Not really for the most of us. But if I was 10 years old I'd think everyone as creeps.

Now corporations are forcibly creeping into the classrooms. Yuck!

The world is turning into one giant shitty customer service experience.

[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean pretty stupid to write that in the schools chat app, use signal or shit just regular iMessage

[–] bigFab@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Apparently another one got arrested within hours of a Snapchat too.

[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Damn kids gotta make everything public these days lol

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Anything with a very low rate of true positives applied to a large population is going to have an insane false positive rate. EG a 1 in 7M issue applied to 70M students with a 1% false positive rate would produce 700k false positives. Worse people who are actually planning a school shooting may be more likely to avoid telegraphing their intentions. So you could damage 700k kids futures and traumatize them without even catching many or any of the killers.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 49 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The whole trend of teens rejecting phones for dumbphones is making sense now. If you can't fight big mainstream technology, then fuck big mainstream technology!

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I was already glad being out of school before widespread take-home laptops and required after-school logging in to check for homework and shit, but this AI-driven surveillance is on a whole other level. Sometimes I'm wondering if it's just me getting old and doing the old people thing thinking things were better "back in the day" but is this current state not objectively worse, being monitored so much and having no way to really disconnect from school?

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Citizen, Friend Computer has detected Bad Thought ^(tm)^ in your area! Please do not be alarmed! Remain where you are, a team of selected Troubleshooters will begin deploying Martin-Marietta neuron adjusters as quickly as possible.

Do not worry about side-effects: Martin-Marietta's studies have shown most people respond positively to having their neurons rewired! Plus it feels good.

[–] Insane_Turnip@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is this a Paranoia reference out in the wild? Amazing. Well done!

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Heh, thanks. I see more and more similarity between Paranoia and the real world, as well as all the dystopian 1970s sci-fi I grew up on...

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its not a technology issue, its a capitalism issue.

Idealy, people should be able to afford their own devices and just log in via a browser, but capitalism fucks everyone and kids are too poor to have their own laptop and has to use the school-issued one which is obviously managed and surveilled because they can't have you watching porn on it.

Also, #SaveSnowDays, stop forcing an online meet if its snowing and they cant get to school, just let kids have a day off once in a while.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

I'm no fan of capitalism, but nothing in it requires public schools to install surveillance software on laptops. This seems purely like an administration issue, which is often the source of problems in general, not just in schools, but also in other sectors like healthcare, where they put in stupid policies while sucking up funding for themselves and their pet issues instead of towards the core purpose of that sector.

Agreed on the snow days. In fact, I think we should reduce the number of school days (and work days, for that matter) in general.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What is sad is that an environment like this ruins someone’s mental health and ironically increasing the overall risk of violence.

[–] belit_deg@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Don't remember whose quote it was, maybe Hannah Arendt, that the real tragedy of tyranny is not when people self-censor what they say out loud, but when this leads them to filter out those thoughts from arising at all

[–] arararagi@ani.social 8 points 1 day ago

That's the surveillance panopticon, they know they are being watched, but not when.

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[–] Pjonathan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Some good news here is that if they apply this to society as a whole the jails would be too full, keep saying the no-no words online!

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We are living in the shittiest kind of cyberpunk dystopia. Can't wait for AI-induced cyber-psychosis once people implant Musk's chips into their brains and give MechaHitler full access to their subconscious.

The good news is newer chips go on the OUTSIDE of your head because it turns out, you can't market brain surgery

[–] Pjonathan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Shouldn't they have used AI to collect the messages and then have a human manually intervene?

[–] 2910000@lemmy.world 75 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Students who think they are chatting privately among friends often do not realize they are under constant surveillance

This is the problem

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[–] BD89@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 1 day ago

Thought control

[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I can't say for certain because I wasn't given one but I can't imagine me and my friends would have been willing to communicate with each other on devices provided by our school. Even in the early 00s it would have been filled with spyware.

[–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah for sure. My friends and I were completely paranoid about stuff like that.

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago

I cannot possibly imagine trusting a school issued device.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

“I wish that was treated as a teachable moment, not a law enforcement moment,” said Patterson.

Seems like the Gaggle CEO has a good view. They're still an enabler in these situations. Be it poor guidance or training. With the impact they have, taking responsibility would be tracking and ceasing contracts that do not follow this soft response approach.

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[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 153 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Holy shit, the amount of surveillance the teens are under is ungodly and people blame the chatbot? And there wasn't even a human kind enough to speak with the girl before calling the fucking cops? I see a lot of blame to place here, but it's not the chatbot who is to blame.

  • The kids for bullying her for her tan
  • The school boards implementing the surveillance
  • The parents who allowed such surveillance in the first place
  • The person screening what was flagged for not sending the school counselor to talk with the kid
  • The person calling the cops
  • The cops for arresting an 8th-grader and DOING A STRIP SEARCH AND KEEPING HER OVERNIGHT WTF instead of handing her over to her parents

Everyone of them failed a 13 year old girl. All of them should be ashamed.

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 day ago

Sounds more like they are maybe using ML classifiers on all the communications they are spying on by conventional means. To me that's not the same as using AI to spy but whatever.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 26 points 2 days ago

More free child labor in jails.

[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Lots of wannabe authoritarians out there in educationland.

All those decades that the schools just -couldn't afford- more (well-educated) teachers and smaller class sizes. Lots of low-end look-good.

And then along came tech, and lo-and-behold, IT was going to be the savior. Let's buy into that! We may not be able to teach them to read, write or think, but they can learn to kneel!

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[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Isn't this the plot of Shimoneta?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Talking about online privacy has become the “safe sex talk” of the last decade or so. You have to keep reminding kids so that it sticks. Nothing you say online is private, it can all be copied/screengrabbed/recorded/photographed and shared by the recipient. What you say, any images you post, etc. On school or work devices they can essentially see most everything, nothing is private. Even if you make efforts to cover your tracks, a truly determined agency with enough resources likely will find out who you are if they want to.

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[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 253 points 2 days ago (9 children)

There is something fundamentally fucked up in a country that arrests and puts in jail a 13 years old kid over a bad joke.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago

But can't put the pedo convicted felon grifter behind bars...

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