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The opposite is true, actually.
According to the most recent report (2024), people in China have overwhelmingly positive views of their political system. 92% of people say that democracy is important to them, 79% say that their country is democratic, 91% say that the government serves the interests of most people (rather than a small group), and 85% say all people have equal rights before the law. Furthermore, China outperforms the US and most European countries on these indicators – in fact, it has some of the strongest results in the world. The figure below compares China’s results to those from the US, France and Britain. These results may help explain the high levels of satisfaction with government reported by the Ash Center.
In my experience, the liberals will now say your source is incorrect/misleading/seeseepee propaganda for some unfalsifiable reason (their opinion) or they will immediately jump to racism and call the Chinese robots who cannot think for themselves.
The first is typical online, the second offline, where there is no paper trail.
I see the latter all the time online, usually via the "brainwashing" narrative. Sinophobia runs deep and is out in the open.
That isn't an objective measure. You're not examining characteristics of governance, you are examining public views on governance. In the 80s Canada had an image problem domestically and internationally. Did Canada change? Hell no! We engaged one of the most successful PR campaigns in modern history, and suddenly we're all stroking each other off and receiving international plaudits, even while we continue to burn our children's future for fuel.
Show your objective measures, then.
Guessing it's some nonsense like conflating a multi-party system with democracy, even though multi-party systems have a worse track-record when it comes to actually representing the public will because factionalism better allows for opportunism. Fundamentally, the policy proposal process in the PRC is more bottom-up, while being executed from the top-down.
Who has any right to tell the people of China how they should choose to govern themselves? Evidently they approve of their system at higher rates, believe democracy is more important at higher rates, and believe they are democratic at higher rates, all of which are consistent.
Cute rhetoric. The dichotomy isn't, "ask people what they think vs tell people what to think." The dichotomy is, "subjective vs objective." You could be taking objective measurements. What you are measuring is not what you are claiming. These charts only allow you to talk about people's perceptions (as it clearly says on the infographic) and not the underlying realities. Your implicit point has to be that believing you have equal right is just as good as actually HAVING them.
What is democracy if not rule by the people? What better objective measure of democracy would you posit than the people directly saying that their input is heard, their interests are pressed forth, and that their structure is democratic?
huh?
- https://www.newsweek.com/most-china-call-their-nation-democracy-most-us-say-america-isnt-1711176
- https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2021/0218/Vilified-abroad-popular-at-home-China-s-Communist-Party-at-100
- https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/which-nations-are-democracies-some-citizens-might-disagree
- https://web.archive.org/web/20230511041927/https://6389062.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.net/hubfs/6389062/Canva%20images/Democracy%20Perception%20Index%202023.pdf
- https://www.tbsnews.net/world/china-more-democratic-america-say-people-98686
- https://web.archive.org/web/20201229132410/https://en.news-front.info/2020/06/27/studies-have-shown-that-china-is-more-democratic-than-the-united-states-russia-is-nearby-and-ukraine-is-at-the-bottom/
The irony of having my comment on democracy and free speech removed is hillarious.
Should all misinformation be allowed to stay? Should right-wing, western narratives be unchallenged? No investigation, no right to speak.
Can't have an honest discussion when you silence critics. (Which was the point all along)
Do you often start discussions by loudly proclaiming that you haven't done any research but fully agree with the right-wing?
Welcome to my ban list! It's small and very exclusive, but disingenuous comments putting words in my mouth like "but fully agree with the right wing" are a surefire way to get you on it.
You came in here repeating right-wing talking points. I didn't put any words in your mouth, you said them yourself.
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spy balloons
people still believe this shit 🤣
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Ah yes, will you just look at all this "slave labor" in China
90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes
Student debt in China is virtually non-existent. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jlim/2016/08/29/why-china-doesnt-have-a-student-debt-problem/
Chinese household savings hit another record high in 2024 https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-jones-bank-earnings-01-12-2024/card/chinese-household-savings-hit-another-record-high-xqyky00IsIe357rtJb4j
The real (inflation-adjusted) incomes of the poorest half of the Chinese population increased by more than four hundred percent from 1978 to 2015, while real incomes of the poorest half of the US population actually declined during the same time period. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w23119/w23119.pdf
From 1978 to 2000, the number of people in China living on under $1/day fell by 300 million, reversing a global trend of rising poverty that had lasted half a century (i.e. if China were excluded, the world’s total poverty population would have risen) https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/China%E2%80%99s-Economic-Growth-and-Poverty-Reduction-Angang-Linlin/c883fc7496aa1b920b05dc2546b880f54b9c77a4
You clowns really need to get some new material.
China and climate change eh?
Yes, the PRC is the leader in electrification of production and renewable expansion. It's at the pinnacle of nuclear and solar energy, as well as production of these.