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Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.

Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Someone should invade Rubio's house and demand the deed to one of his rooms before they'll leave.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 0 points 7 months ago

Yep, it's treason. And it's not just one guy.

[–] turbulentMagma@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 1 points 7 months ago

Most of our government seems to be.

[–] b0s@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

So basically they (putin and trump) want more than 2022 borders. And let me guess, they also want sanctions eased and elections to install a pro-putin government? Ukraine should not make any deals with the US. The US admin is the enemy within and the enemy of democracy.
The ceasefire is just a step to get to the sanctions and elections demands. And once they have a "reason" to force those things then russia is set to continue their forever-war.

[–] taanegl@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Okay. Us Europeans want to cede Florida.

Come on now, Rubio. You're the one who opened up your big mouth.

[–] CAVOK@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I propose Ukraine cede Kentucky to the Russians. Or maybe one of the Carolinas, I don't think the US really needs two of them.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Imagine a hypothetical scenario in which Mexico invades the United States, takes complete control over the state of New Mexico, and right in the middle of the conflict Great Britain says "the war needs to end", drafts a ceasefire proposal that allows them take control of half of the country's natural resources, and offers no security guarantees in the event that Mexico decides to attack again. If you refuse, the British will stop sending military aid to help you continue fighting. Oh, and Mexico gets to keep New Mexico.

Who in their right fucking mind thinks that this is a good deal? Any sensible person would rather continue fighting than give up their advantage for some flimsy ceasefire that won't stand up to an invader hellbent on conquest.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

And that's after Mexico violated a non-aggression pact and conquered Arizona.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Lol. Remember when a bunch of assholes voted 3rd party or didn't vote because they were upset with Democrat's handling of foreign affairs?

Clown country.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'd do it again, rather get expropriated and deported from this micky mouse country than use what little political input I have to endorse a genocide

[–] Kage520@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I think the point here is that, rather than endorse a genocide, you endorsed 2 genocides, and everything else that this administration does. I get that even one genocide is too much, but for that one you could be calling your representative and writing letters and doing whatever else you can to people who might care about those actions.

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[–] DaveyRocket@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (14 children)

Why would Ukraine be negotiating with another adversary? That’s like a boxer going to the wrong corner after the round, that guy also wants you to get your ass kicked.

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago

Likely true if we're being real but... You don't say that outloud you incompetent fucking negotiator.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)
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[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I don't see any peace deal unless there is security guarantees, it is not peace without guarantees.

This just embolden russia to rape Ukraine again for more lands. Marco Rubio is promoting a forever war.

Ukraine guarantees were taken away when the nukes were taken away.

[–] commander@lemmings.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Why do you put stock in security guarantees now?

Ukraine had security "guarantees" when Russia invaded because they gave up their nukes that Western nation have not followed through on.

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Memorandum was not really a guarantee. NATO is more of a guarantee, nukes are more of a guarantee. Guarantee means NATO and/or Nukes.

Don't need to believe it will work, Nukes and NATO has worked in the past to maintain peace along russia borders.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

NATO membership is off the table, virtually no NATO country wants Ukraine to join.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 0 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Almost all of the NATO countries want Ukraine to join except for Russia's lapdogs, ergo: Hungary, Slovakia, and the US.

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[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Bin Laden defeated our freedom and Putin defeated our democracy.

We're such a pathetic nation of pussies. Home of the brave has to be the most ridiculous line in any anthem ever.

[–] punksnotdead@slrpnk.net 0 points 7 months ago

As Tywin Lannister said "Any man who must say, "I am the King", is no true king."

Any man who goes around telling everyone they're brave, probably isn't brave. In fact it's incredibly cringe.

A cringe country full of cringe people who say one thing but do another. Claim to stand for freedom, democracy, and liberty whilst oppressing all of those things both at home and abroad.

Land of the cowards.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

The only territory that Ukraine has to cede is Kursk

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

No, it must not. If someone breaks into your house, is he allowed to keep the loot?

[–] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Without security guarantees, this isn't a "peace" deal, it's a capitulation and an invitation for future aggression from Russia.

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