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cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/36089101

The Office of Defects Investigation (“ODI”) has identified numerous incident reports submitted by Tesla, Inc. (“Tesla”) in response to Standing General Order 2021-01 (the “SGO”), in which the reported crashes occurred several months or more before the dates of the reports. The majority of these reports involved crashes in which the Standing General Order in place at the time required a report to be submitted within one or five days of Tesla receiving notice of the crash. When the reports were submitted, Tesla submitted them in one of two ways. Many of the reports were submitted as part of a single batch, while others were submitted on a rolling basis.  

Preliminary engagement between ODI and Tesla on the issue indicates that the timing of the reports was due to an issue with Tesla’s data collection, which, according to Tesla, has now been fixed. NHTSA is opening this Audit Query, a standard process for reviewing compliance with legal requirements, to evaluate the cause of the potential delays in reporting, the scope of any such delays, and the mitigations that Tesla has developed to address them. As part of this review, NHTSA will assess whether any reports of prior incidents remain outstanding and whether the reports that were submitted include all of the required and available data.

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[–] Chozo@fedia.io 61 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Launched an investigation? The answer is simple: Elon is a disgusting little bitch with too much money for his own good and buys his way out of facing the consequences of his actions. And he also worked in the country illegally and should be sent to CECOT.

There. Didn't require a whole investigation, you guys. Holy shit, the government really is wasting resources these days.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 9 points 4 months ago

Sometimes investigation means finding out about all of the crimes committed. Not just the ones you definitely know about.

Although in this case it probably is just political assassination because trump's decided he's falling out with musk.

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I still can't imagine how are they gonna accomplish safe self-driving tech without LIDAR. That's just playing with peoples lives.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 26 points 4 months ago

how

Not at all. The whole world knows that by now.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Musk keeps saying humans don't have LIDAR so his cars don't need it either. That's the level of leadership at Tesla.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

I still can't believe people buy those shit cans.

Even worse, he got his wealth on the back of liberals and people that care about the environment.... Cletus wasn't buying these cars, he was rolling coal in his lifted F150.

[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I think cars should communicate with each other as well with an open source, universal standard. Like real time data exchange that helps the self driving

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 4 months ago

That'll probably be the way it goes. That does of course mean banning other cars from the road and I'm not sure how that's going to be implemented.

[–] Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I don't like the idea of a single system. Over specialize and you breed in weakness.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago

The alternative is fragmentation.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 points 4 months ago

Single standard, but multiple implementations.

[–] 123@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

We just need tucking trains and public transport in cities. Rural areas are under separate requirements. It's that easy, but we've built cities for failure for a while now. We "send our prayers" each time a kid biking to school is run over and then complain when the number of lanes on the freeway is not expanded to accommodate the ever increasing number of cars or speed limits don't allow for deadlier crashes because our commute from a poorly designed suburb to a poorly designed city increases by 5 minutes.

Edit: rant is not directed at you. Just frustrated with the US in general when looking at the needs of the general population.

[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

I don't disagree but I don't think it's remotely realistic at this point. Honestly, everything looks the bleakest it ever has in my lifetime and I don't really trust our society to accomplish any significant progress anytime soon. Trump is America's response to the entire earth ecosystem collapsing? In the meantime, I think it's remotely possible we can get cars to talk to each other so I can go to a bar without having to involve Uber. Maybe with dedicated towers like cell phone towers to help cover areas and the software can keep the amount of data that needs to be transferred to a minimum.

But yeah, public transit a step or 2 above buses would have been pretty ideal but our population is stupid as fuck and just accepts capitalism as the way things should be.

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I think there would be one very congested frequency band.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

Tesla knows immediately when one of its vehicles crashes because the vehicle sends Tesla HQ a detailed crash report that it then deletes from the car’s local storage. Wish I was making this up.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Anybody know the legalese for "because they're lying buckets of shit"?

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 12 points 4 months ago

Some "Feds" who haven't lost their jobs when it was time...? /s

[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because they don't want to and they've learned that nothing bad will happen to them if they don't.

[–] 123@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They are constructing a fisher price GOLD Tesla for trump as we speak no doubt. To be delivered in person awkwardly for some PR video Apple style.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Lol. DOGE missed a federal system? Good. Fuck doge.

[–] wraithcoop@programming.dev 6 points 4 months ago

Here's why: money

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 4 months ago

I mean I can save them some time. I already knew why.

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

This is Analysis-Paralysis. Why should they spend all their time counting past crashes when they are busy increasing the production of new ones?

/s

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hmm, I wonder why they'd do that... I guess we'll never know.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Elon didn’t bring Trump a gold statue and kiss his ass publicly so now every regulatory body will suddenly discover that Tesla is breaking the rules.

[–] QuantumTickle@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago

$10 says it can be linked to DOGE