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A music and science lover has revealed that some birds can store and retrieve digital data. Specifically, he converted a PNG sketch of a bird into an audio waveform, then tried to embed it in the song memory of a young starling, ready for later retrieval as an image. Benn Jordan made a video of this feat, sharing it on YouTube, and according to his calculations, the bird-based data transfer system could be capable of around 2 MB/s data speeds.

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Only a matter of time before megacorps put ads and a subscription service on bird calls, now. 😫

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Inb4 Doom can now run on birds.

[–] Beero@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Latency tho....

[–] ISOmorph@feddit.org 176 points 3 days ago (17 children)

In before EU genocides all starlings because you can't put backdoors in them to scan for CSAM.

[–] PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 89 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Well, technically it has a built in backdoor...

[–] hoch@lemmy.world 85 points 3 days ago (9 children)
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[–] orenj@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

How useful would this have been back at the dawn of computation, I wonder?

They didn’t have ultrasonic microphones at the dawn of computation

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Pigeon guided missile but instead of pigeon it's a parrot and sings relevant source code in hex and an interpeter assembles it.

(I hate the last 4 words that sentence I made.)

[–] Korkki@lemmy.ml 125 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Imagine the possibilities for piracy and secure messaging (provided that the birds don't snitch on you).

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you take control of enough birdhouses you can launch DDoS attacks.

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[–] gozz@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Not to be a wet blanket, but every time this comes up I get annoyed by some factual inaccuracies in the articles about this. It is not digital! He drew an image on a computer, but converted it to an analogue spectrogram to store on the bird. That's neat as hell, but it's not digital. The image that he got back was slightly corrupted.

Now I would be fascinated to see a follow-up seeing if you can actually modulate a digital signal and have is survive a round trip through the bird bit-for-bit accurate. I suspect in reality it would be much lower data rate, but definitely not nothing!

[–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

By your definition nothing can be digital since the world is analog. Even the bits in your CPU are voltages in transistors. As such, every real life signal can be distorted.

[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The point with digital transfers is that you round it back to either 0 or 1, hoping that no bits are distorted enough to have any loss at all.

[–] gozz@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Exactly. Digital logic, when implemented in analogue, generally have to have forbidden zones where a signal in that range is considerer invalid. Regardless of implementation, digital is about the discretized logic of the system. That is explicitly the whole point of digital: Minor analogue distortion does not change the information content of the signal unless it is so bad as to flip a bit.

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[–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That’s not really how it works in the real world. Usually you have both bandwidth and noise constraints.

Sure you can send something like a square wave but this isn’t practical for real communication channels. Typically you’re sending many sine waves in parallel with multiple amplitudes and phase offsets to represent a sequence of bits (QAM). Then on top of that you’d encode the original data with both a randomizer (to prevent long runs from looking like nothing) and error correction. So usually the system can handle some level of distortion.

What you’re hoping is that by the time the data reaches the user (really, Layer 3), all the errors have already been handled and you never see any issues.

The bird is just another type of noisy channel with its own distortion characteristics.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The point is that at the physical layer you still have a well defined log likelihood test to produce digital information. That's why QAM lasted so long even though it is not power efficient - because it has an analytical likelihood function.

This is the boundary between digital and analog communications. Since he did not use a digital modulation scheme, this would be a form of analog comms

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[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago

You are not addressing my critique of your statement, just piling on a bunch of useless extra knowledge just so that you can feel superior.

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[–] khannie@lemmy.world 72 points 2 days ago (5 children)

2MB/s / 16Mbps is enough for 4K HEVC video and audio. In theory you could encode a full movie with enough starlings.

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 51 points 2 days ago (5 children)

And they say physical media is dead!

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[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 33 points 2 days ago

A million monkeys on typewriters is old news. Now we're gonna teach a million starlings to play back the entire bee movie.

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[–] Vespair@lemmy.zip 61 points 2 days ago

We're finally getting tweets back

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Birds are totally organic organisms. Rightttttt. BIRDS ARENT REAL!!!!

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[–] RunJun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 66 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Reducing Benn Jordan down to just “enthusiast” is wild.

[–] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago

Musician/Wizard/Activist

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[–] YesButActuallyMaybe@lemmy.ca 41 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Hear me out! Bird factor authentication!

Please honk your seagull to unlock your ed25519-sk ssh key

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[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

I want this to be the next reveal in a movie or TV series, in the same fashion as the one of the Navajo "backing up" the Smoking Man's magnetic tape in The X-Files.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 days ago

Well of course NSA's spy device can store information. We've known this for decades

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Me, everytime I see a bird:

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[–] Hatsune_Miku@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 50 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Quick, someone teach it the soundtrack to Doom

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[–] muzzle@lemmy.zip 41 points 3 days ago

This is a whole new twist over RFC 1149: IP over Avian Carriers

[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 38 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Some people will use anything but cloud storage

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[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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