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Using a strong incentive to share.
What would that incentive be?
Possible to modify your shared data or your computer address (IP:PORT) without the need to re-distribute the link.
How would you handle spam if the content can be updated?
Accessible to anyone who can spare some disk space and some bandwith
What about mobile users, who have a data plan limit, low space and battery to worry about (so no daemon 24/7)?
Thanks for the feedback!
What would that incentive be?
The incentive is that your data is being shared. As you share data from others, they share yours. Reciprocal sharing.
How would you handle spam if the content can be updated?
It's not like an email service, think of it like a web page. If you go to your favourite-webpage.com and suddenly there is something you don't like on it, you can just opt out by not going there any more.
What about mobile users, who have a data plan limit, low space and battery to worry about (so no daemon 24/7)?
This is not made for very low bandwith systems, or bandwith expensive systems. This said, I have a 8€ monthly mobile plan with IIRC 210GB monthly data (then it gets throttled), so if you do not yet have access to low costs like this, eventually you will.
If you want to share a 1MB website (which is quite big IMO) and share it 10 fold, you'd need roughly a whopping 11MB of storage. Again, everyone does not have lots of free storage, but the trend seems to point towards that and most phones today have that storage capacity.
This is a first version, but nothing prevents a low power usage version to be made, quite easily too.
On mobile, my concerns would be more of the possibility to have a port forward, and an IP address that doesn't change too often (like many many times a day).
Thanks for the quick answer!
If you want to share a 1MB website (which is quite big IMO) and share it 10 fold, you'd need roughly a whopping 11MB of storage.
Is it possible to be a "hoarder", and keep storage for others without adding new files?
How do files expire? Is there a last-activity expire, random keys expiring or something like that?
Are there "scores" for peers? If I contribute 1TB of storage but am online only 2 hours a week, am I penalized in some way (like lower trust)? If so, how do you verify that?
And what about data locality? Is there any kind of incentive to have data located closer to where it is most used? (Like a cdn)
Finally: if there is a peer scoring system, is bandwidth part of the calculation too? For example: a peer with just a few gigabytes, but 1gbps network to share. Would they receive a better score because of their network? Or worse because of their low storage?
After re-reading my comments, I thought they might come as aggressive. That's totally not what I mean!
Congrats on launching the project! My comments here are to address what might be common problems in a p2p network, to see your POV on these problems, and maybe give you ideas on points you might want to research in the future.
As far as I know, this is the first "distributed" and "easy-to-use" tool we have. I've never seen something as easy as 10f -i file.jpg and share it!
But there are some prior attempts for mostly-related ideas, which could be:
For online file sharing, some recurrent problems are: DMCA. How do you (an operator of the network) handle a DMCA request?
And for P2P networks, the focus always is: how can I ensure I do not host illegal files? Even if they are encrypted, some legislation still can consider it as keeping illegal files (AFAIU).
Hello!
Is it possible to be a “hoarder”, and keep storage for others without adding new files?
Inbuilt in the setup (you can turn this off, or change its characteristics) you share 16MB for free, but only for 64kb files or less. This is to bootstrap sharing, and promote small website-like stuff.
How do files expire
There are checks to see if a node still has your data (requests for a small part at a random location), but at the moment that's it.
If a node stops sharing, then you just stop sharing theirs, and the system will try to find another node willing to share your data (which should not be a problem as you overshare, so one of the other nodes has your back during that time).
Score
There are score for onlineness for nodes, a very crude system that can be greatly expanded, but you can't share a lot like in a torrent situation, because you only share what you want and thus share reciprocally. If that seems illogical please do tell!
Locality
No, it's randomly distributed to make it difficult (or astronomically hard) to take down data, and also to have a statistic good chance of the data being available (imagine most nodes in a country turns them off for the night for example, having it spread out would mitigate that).
Is bandwidth part of the calculation
Not yet, I'm thinking of different contracts like more of a storage contract that'd expire after say downloaded 5 times, and a "high bandwidth" contract that could accept to share a larger slump of data vs a smaller but more often downloaded, but for today it does not exist. You can alleviate this by adding overshares, so your 1MB site is shared by 1000 nodes "costing you" 1.000MB in reciprocal sharing but will have better access (parallel downloading is in the works but comes with a couple of specific security snags so quite WIP).
I just saw you added a post :-D no problemo, it's normal to question new tech, and I do truly appreciate it! Thank you for your kind words too!
Just some notes ; it's a trust less system, so node integrity is a non issue here (if they don't serve your data, you'd just change for another one. Same if they serve bad data etc).
As far as I know, this is the first “distributed” and “easy-to-use” tool we have.
10f -i file.jpg
You just gotta name it too 😬 ☺️
10f -i myimage file.jpg
But thanks again!
DMCA
Yes this is the whole "don't do crimes" problem, if users are not sharing the latest Madonna single, there should not be a problem, but what if someone does?
The node sharing cannot know what it's sharing, it's AES256 CTR encrypted, and without the key you just cannot know what it is. This does not solve it of course, and I wonder what the legal implications are, in Europe hosters are not yet responsible for what they (unknowingly AFAIK) host, so I think that's kind of clear there, in the USA, well if they find you sharing xyz.aes and they have the key to prove it's illegal content, they'll send you a takedown request I suppose. What does cloud services risk? Lots of questions here of course.
I think it's in the same legal basket as P2P networks.
Hope this helps!
I suggest posting the "PS" link to a tech community. Sounds interesting! Keep up the good work!
Thanks!
Will try to check out the tech subs for a potential post there. Anywhere else you think I can post this?
