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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Probably not.

I mean, I don't think there's a chance of doing some really fucked up shit, like genociding people; but I'd certainly be biased toward things that I want and not necessarily what the majority wants. I'd be a little bit corrupt, but I can't even envision a path that would lead me to be evil.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think there are many people out there who could.

To me, the problem isn't being a benevolent dictator; it's getting a benevolent person there in a benevolent way.

[–] tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 day ago

Yeah the problem is mostly that benevolent people don't actually want to be dictators much less do what it takes to become one.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

No because narcissistic psychopathic yes-men would flood my surroundings and I'd probably quickly become paranoid (with reasons to be that).

Except if it was in a Douglas Addams way.

[–] HerrVorragend@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My Tropico track record says that I absolutely can.

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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 5 points 23 hours ago

Even if purest it is heart almost impossible. Main issue is the same with any govt type, corruption. Its easy to be benevolent when everyone on your side. They are plenty of animes/games like this.

When humans are looking out for themselves any progress you want is water down significantly and now "cruelties" need to be enacted to make these types fall in line. Now it becomes do you hit surgically or with a hammer depends on number of factors. Like do you specifically know who or just the departments. Delays are problems because meanwhile these types are probably riling up the masses for their own ends or simply result of selfish actions. Massive pain in butt. Without something like a death note or really amazing internal spy network it be impossible to avoid collateral damage. Even then we are now down the 1984 rabbit hole. All because I couldn't trust the people I wanted to govern or fulfill my will. Massive Tragedy when I just wanted to give ppl the stars.

Maybe AI govt workers to handle processing with loyalty chips could work. Until some jerk hacks them cause w/e. This why we cant have nice things.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 4 points 22 hours ago

"I think I am perhaps the only one honourable enough who can" thinks almost everyone.

I would instantly be assassinated for helping out people too much and handing too much power to workers syndicates

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I’d like to think so. When we read 1984 in high school, a friend and I were studying together. I remember saying (in my naïveté), “I loved the book and I get the history but why would you want to be in charge of a place that sucks?” She was like, “You’re just going to have to get used to the fact that a lot of people care about power more than beaches.”

Well, I still think those people are foolish. I’d rather be in charge of my own tiny slice of paradise than rule over some wack ass dictatorship where everyone else is miserable. Not wanting to be in charge is probably the basic pre-requisite for being a benevolent dictator. I like to cook for people and stuff. I’d use my power and wealth to do that.

That being said, I’m a dirtbag. I’d have a cool house somewhere with mountain and ocean views. Probably 3 or 4 beauty queens who also have Ms. Congeniality pageant sashes who are in charge of laughing at my jokes and charming me. No more than one or two rhythmic gymnastics teams that delight us all by throwing ribbons to each other with their feet. (Other apparatuses are cool too. Hula hoop. Clubs. Ball. Variety is the spice of life.)

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I might still be young enough to pull that off for a few more years yet.

The way I would implement that is to day one set a date for elections of a congress and my own retirement. I'm imagining a Mars Attacks scenario in which the ak ak ak aliens blow up congress and the government of the United States consists of the President's teenage daughter and a mariachi band. If through some set of goofy circumstances no meaningful government exists above me and I am in full command, we're gonna do shit my way for, say, four years, and then we're calling a congress. At which time I retire to a small estate somewhere in the Carolinas with only ceremonial powers, like I reserve the right to throw out first pitches of baseball games.

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[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago

Relevant CGP Grey video

Basically it is a structural problem that ensures corrupt behavior. A dictator has to direct resources to the people most relevant to their continued power to buy their loyalty, and away from everyone else whose support is irrelevant. Not being a scumbag in that position could get you killed.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 4 points 23 hours ago

If society is at the point where we're making dictators then you likely have to be an immoral POS to stay in power. At every stage below you there are opportunistic people who want to take your spot.

[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago
[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There's a famous phrase: power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's guaranteed to happen. The theme is played upon in LOTR when both Gandalf and Galadriel refuse the ring, knowing what it will do to them. It's the most important metaphor Tolkien put into the stories for a good reason. Peter Jackson made those moments stand out, as he also understood the assignment. Nobody is capable of resisting the call of corruption when given absolute power. You are not an exception.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

You don't know me. When I have power, you'll see. YOU'LL ALL SEE!

[–] saimen@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

Only a hobbit with a true friend can resist corruption.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 points 20 hours ago
[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We’re getting into paradox territory

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[–] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

How would you hold power when the powers that be despise you? You think you can rule without military might, will of the people, and the approval of those who owm the resources of the land? The idea of benevolent dictator is broken because of the conditions that you would need to create to even get in power, and to stay in power, would not be benevolent.

[–] ethaver@kbin.earth 6 points 1 day ago

I think I would last a little longer than average. And I only say that because the more power I get handed the more anxiety I get and I think it's the people it doesn't make anxious that are the scariest. I also burnout quickly though and I don't handle everybody being mad at me very gracefully.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 1 points 18 hours ago
[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 5 points 1 day ago

Of course. I'd get promptly assassinated too

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

Bigger question is how long would you last? If you're benevolent then the people closest to you won't like you as their dictator because presumably you treat everyone equitably and don't keep a bigger piece of the pie for yourself and your confidants.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

If you're offering me the job, I'll give it a go. I think I'd do a shockingly great job, but even if I didn't, there is no universe where I'm as evil and incompetent as the people who are currently in charge.

[–] 1141kizzie@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 day ago

If you are doing injustice in small acts then you will also do injustice in big acts too, Especially if you think you can get away with it. And person's view & promise about this does not matter, Because as Schopenhauer put it,

supposing that we wanted to know, for instance, how someone will act in a position in which we intend to place him, we must not rely on his promises and assurances. For, even assuming that he spoke honestly, he speaks of a matter that he does not know. Therefore, we have to calculate his actions solely on the basis of weighing the circumstances that he will have to face and their conflict with his character.

But I think person can achieve this kind of purity, by trying to be pure everyday. The reason i believe this is because i read a ancient Indian text called Mahabharata and it talked about a asceticism, Brahman, ashramas, double celibacy(doing sex only to beget children), mahaprasthana(means great journey, when person determine to departs from home and wanders around, awaiting death). It also had stories of benevolent kings, warriors & people showing uprightness. So, l believe, some people have attainted this kind of purity already in history & it's proof that man can control their desires and take right actions with impartiality by observing Brahmacharya

So your question, if I can be benevolent dictator without being corrupt or not?, yes, I can be but this job is not best suitable for me because of my personality And currently, my time tracking statistics & recent actions are not showing good results.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 2 points 22 hours ago

Depends how you define "evil". And if I was hungry or tired when I got this power.

There's good odds like every Republican official and donor would go directly into a bad time. Some would say that's evil.

[–] Mr_Fish@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd like to think I wouldn't, but my chances probably aren't any better than the average person. I don't think I'd ever get anywhere near the worst leaders in history, but I wouldn't count on me being perfectly incorruptible.

But even if I was, that wouldn't be enough. Either I'd have to run the entire government myself, which is impossible, or I'd have to reliably find other incorruptible people to work for me and replace me when I die, which will never be reliable enough. If I didn't find incorruptible people, what's to stop them getting bribed into not letting me do anything until I let the corrupt people have their way?

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[–] Akrenion@slrpnk.net 2 points 22 hours ago

I would try to turn into a wurm. Maybe my son will finish my work.

[–] zxqwas@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Don't think it's possible per definition of the word.

If you take into account the wishes of the majority of the population what sets you apart from a constitutional monarchy?

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[–] olorin99@kbin.earth 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes but I would be incompetent to the point where there's not much difference.

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I'd be awful

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 20 hours ago

Its possible but unlikely and gets even more problematic with after dictator times. Best chance would be setting up a system and then using the dictator powers to tweak or fix things till you die.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

No. No one can.

[–] 001Guy001@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

I'm less worried about getting corrupted and turning evil, and more about having the powerful people of the country/world go after me with all their might after I declare a transition into anarchism/socialism.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

I doubt I would be a benevolent dictator. I am a good person mostly through sheer force of will, not by nature. I abhor cruelty — yet I'd gleefully inflict misery upon those who practice it.

I suspect over time that would erode the thin façade of beneficence within which my rage lies cocooned.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 day ago

No but I’d like to think I’d do better than most.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

How many Philosopher Kings do we have here?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher_king

Yes, vote for me.

[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

Maybe, but only if I become a dictator to remove and spread my power to smaller government organizations. Basically instead of having one source of power, I dilute the government into multiple governments that also police each other and not one of them have power to govern over all others. Additionally, police and military would be the only "governments" that have slightly less governing power than the rest because while we still need police and military I don't want them to use their weapons to muscle their way over the other governments.

Note: I am not saying it's perfect or covers all cases, but I believe that having a central point of power is the biggest issue with a dictator becoming corrupt and this applies even to non-dictators (hint-hint). Maybe I am wrong and I invite polite discourse on the subject.

[–] urheber@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago

Me, yes. 😊

What's the point of being a dictator if you can't be corrupt? The only difference is that you have to remember this simple fact:

No one gives a darn what the dictator's bank account looks like if they have full bellies, secure housing, and jobs that keep them just right balance of desperate and productive. Do those things, and they'll cheer when you build a statue of yourself. They'll be overjoyed when you get yourself a sex partner. And they'll fork over money willingly. Yes, it's easier to be feared than loved; but if you just do your job, nobody actually cares about the grift!

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Yes, because my first act would be to replace the benevolent dictatorship with a representative democracy.

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