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[–] Localhorst86@feddit.org 53 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Back when Randall Munroe released his "What if" in eBook format, it essentially was only available with DRM.
When I emailed him about it, asking for a place to buy it without DRM, he responded with DRM unfortunately being mandated by his publisher, and finished his email with a link to this comic of his:
https://xkcd.com/488/

[–] ReverendIrreverence@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago
[–] Jrockwar@feddit.uk 28 points 3 days ago

I would recommend people buy their books off ZLibrary instead, where they come with no DRM.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 240 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Don't buy Amazon products. Fairly simple concept.

[–] LaggyKar@programming.dev 65 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The problem is some authors signing exclusivity deal with Amazon, which means breaking the DRM and converting it is the only way to read it on a different e-reader.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 107 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Too bad. Then theres no sale unless I can crack the DRM ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 43 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This. All of these problems are solved by people not giving money. But often it seems difficult for people to actually stand behind principle when the time comes -- convenience is a helluva drug.

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[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The problem is some authors signing exclusivity deal with Amazon

Well then those authors can go straight to corpo-sellout hell and die a painfully death, I'd rather never read a book again than buy from amazon.

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[–] desmosthenes@lemmy.world 165 points 4 days ago (14 children)
[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It is remarkable how many books available for free on Gutenberg are sold in the same format on Amazon (it'd be one thing if they were special editions, new translations etc, but they're the same!)

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[–] beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 120 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I will never, ever purchase a book I can't remove the DRM from.

And there are people out there who are absolutely fanatical about book preservation. They will photograph every single page and run it through OCR and recreate an ebook just so it gets preserved. DRM is absolutely pointless and stupid.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Exactly this. As an idiot I purchase DRM music when Microsoft had its own music store. Some years later they closed it and there was no way to validate music keys.

But thankfully I still have an old Roxio9( I think) CD, and back then Roxio didn't know what DRM was and would take the mp3 and burn it to DVD anyway, bypassing the key check, then I would just rip it back off the DVD...DRM is useless

[–] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 34 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

For real.

When I still had Netflix and Disney+ I'd want to watch a show on my PC, but I'd just get black screen with only audio, because something about my setup the DRM didn't like. (Possibly that I have USB displaylink monitors.)

So I had to watch on another device.

DRM isn't stopping content being ripped. It's just making life a pain for paying customers.

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 159 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm shocked at this unforeseeable turn of events.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 55 points 4 days ago

The current timeline is truly a constant stream of unanticipated surprises

[–] Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml 29 points 3 days ago (3 children)
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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] BitsAndBites@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I bought my first ereader this summer and got a Kindle and hated it. Returned it and got a Kobo. Its fantastic, I can just load my ebooks like it's an external drive. I dont have to email all my ebooks to Amazon just to get them on my own device.

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[–] Corridor8031@lemmy.ml 30 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It annoys me so much that they have convinced anyone that this stuff is for protecting against piracy of something like that, while this is just another tool for them to force you into using their platform and ecosystem. It does nothing against piracy.

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah you can easily pirate any book, or even just get them free at the library. This just fucks over the authors and people who want to buy their books legally. People don't buy books because they have to, they want to.

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[–] ToxicWaste@lemmy.cafe 16 points 3 days ago

again displaying, that DRM only hurts legitimate users. a pirate has never had the problem of backing up, moving or sharing his library...

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 48 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This entire thing has been made needlessly complicated. Easy fix though.

  1. Get whatever ebook you want.
  2. Borrow some code from GitHub and teach a raspberry pi with a camera and a few servos to snap pictures of pages, turn the pages, snap again into a PDF.
  3. A script then parses all the images and OCRs them for the final PDF.
  4. You now own a backup of your DRM book, which you own forever. Pretty sure this is actually legal under DMCA since you are taking a backup of something you allegedly own. The encryption circumvention is irrelevant.
  5. now, break the law and throw the PDF on the internet to everyone. Go little bot! Go go go!
[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (11 children)

The encryption circumvention is irrelevant.

Oh you sweet summer child, judges will bend over backwards to slap people with multi-decade-to-life charges for 'hacking,' even if the 'hacking' is just the rightsholder accidentally presenting data to you.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Amazon is making it impossible for me to consider a Kindle.

[–] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 65 points 4 days ago

Why not just remove the Amazon from the ebooks?

amazon: finally we defeated piracy

one kid with a computer: snickers

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 69 points 4 days ago (19 children)

Kobo is cool Now just fyi. Works well with calibre.

The biggest issue I have is ebooks are almost all excusevly sold on amazon. I would give authors my money and not sail the high seas if it ment no DRM.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I'm sorry but the idea that most ebooks are exclusive to Amazon is absurd. While they are trying and would love that to be true, it's just not.

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[–] Chivera@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

Anna's Archive

[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 53 points 4 days ago (12 children)

There’s no such thing as “impossible” when it comes to piracy.

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[–] selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I have five published books, all without drm. Amazon better not put that shit ON my books. It's not there for a reason; I want people to share.

[–] CMDR_Horn@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

The real question is how can I find out what those 5 book are without you doxing yourself.

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[–] CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world 54 points 4 days ago (12 children)

I've been slowly filling my wife's Kindle Oasis full of pirated books over the last 2 years. I got it initially because it had internet service everywhere and I could just email her the epubs to simplify loading things.

A couple of weeks ago, even though airplane mode is always on for this thing, (so no wifi either) -- this thing wipes something like 400 books from her library overnight. Granted, they were all pirated, but they're doing some nasty stuff there. It looks like there's renewed effort to combat this.

Sooooo, I sold it and bought her a Kobo Libra Color. Now, I just have her open up https://send.djazz.se/ -- give me the 4 digit code, and I can upload books to her that way. Goodbye Amazon. Don't let the door hit you.

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[–] cloudy1999@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago

We'll soon be back to monks transcribing at this rate.

[–] Mellibird@lemmy.myserv.one 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Once they started mentioning stuff like this I sold my Kindle and got a moann. Its a little odd to use at times, but I love the size and the fact that I can just throw whatever book on there that I want. I use Anna's archive for whatever book I'm looking for or go through my friend's calibre library and I have over 200 books on my reader. I can also use libby with no issues. Its been fantastic breaking away from being stuck in the kindleverse.

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[–] nuggie_ss@lemmings.world 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I love Amazon.

Their website makes it so easy to look up books for Anna's Archive.

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[–] grahamja@reddthat.com 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I bought a digital movie from Amazon prime in 2015. It fell off and they didnt give me a refund. The music I got from a burnt CD in 2004 is still on the C: drive of my current PC. I don't think it pays to do the right thing in the long run.

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[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago (19 children)

I don't know why people buy an stuff like this and get surprised when this happens.

Plenty of other electronics that you have full control over.

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[–] BoloMKXXVIII@piefed.social 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Why are people "buying" DRM infested books? They don't own anything. "Their" books can be taken away at the whim of the seller. Their rights can change with a change to the EULA. There are other legal ways to use e-readers (not Kindles) that let you keep and back up what you buy.

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[–] kaotic@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I mean, this is how you get me to stop buying Kindle books.

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[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 38 points 4 days ago (29 children)

Tangent, but I have had an incredibly poor experience getting a library eBook onto a kindle. Libby gives out time restricted epubs - fair enough, I am actually borrowing the book, that makes sense. Kindle, despite being the "goto" ereader, and epubs being a standard format, cannot read them.

So, despite wanting to legitimately borrow and read the book, instead I am borrowing and DeDRM'ing it (which is its own convoluted process).

Why is Amazon pushing so hard for piracy? Its one thing to make their store easier to use, but breaking all other valid use cases just leaves the one remaining option...

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[–] ronweasleysl@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I have a pocketbook instead of a Kindle cause of this lol

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[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Amazon can go suck a fuck!

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

This is why I bought some Chinese android ereader than an amazon Kindle.

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