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Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I'm disappointed in framework's answer so far

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[–] Slotos@feddit.nl 117 points 2 days ago (42 children)

First, Omarchy doesn’t need funding or partners. It’s backed by a Nazi multimillionaire.

Second, the whole apolitical argument is bullshit. Everything is political. Support for a distro that doesn’t really need support by nature of being a child of a Nazi multimillionaire is a support for that Nazi multimillionaire.

“We didn’t support them because of that” means nothing. The support still sends a message. Just like artist loses control over interpretation of their art the moment they release it, people lose control over interpretation of their actions the moment they act. Does it sound fair? Maybe not, but it’s how reality works.

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[–] kepix@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (3 children)

i dont think framework is big enough to factcheck every linux maniac

[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Yeah I don't think you get how this works. They had time to research the tool they are recommending but literally nothing about the backers or community? Framework will absolutely have a legal team whose job would include vetting these orgs.

But let's say you're right and framework is operating a company with no legal counsel (which is also a giant red flag): their response was "we are chill with terrible people in our space, we have a big tent". Not "you're right, we didn't do research on these guys thanks for bringing it to our attention we'll do some research". If they said that, this wouldn't be a thing. Instead, they said affirmatively "we don't care if they are white nationalists, we want to include white nationalists in our tent".

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[–] StopSpazzing@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

100% this. They support many many different open source project and I read people are bitching when they havent had mich time to even respond?

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[–] vhstape@lemmy.sdf.org 71 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Anyone who read the thread will see that the OP pretty much dropped it after Nirav’s response. Framework is a tiny company without a PR machine for these occasions, and I doubt they knowingly sponsored a project based on the developers’ political ideologies. Let’s all take some deep breaths.

[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 1 day ago

Their response was "we're ok with supporting white nationalists". It doesn't take a complex pr machine to accept that white nationalists are bad people.

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[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 138 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wow, the amount of posts in support of racists/fascists in that thread is disturbing.

Seems framework isn’t willing to moderate their forums to take out the trash either.

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[–] kennedy@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

can you all just fucking chill oh my god

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[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (10 children)

See.....when it comes to open source, it's a little different for me:

I don't support or condone any of these pricks, but I can mentally divorce, somewhat, the open source code contributions from the person, because their contributions are useful. If this was a closed source solution, it'd be different, because the code wouldn't be released into the community. There are a lot of weird, closet-dwelling shut ins that fall into the extremist margins.

A lot of early medical knowledge, for example, was acquired from.....less than morally clear ways. So do you just take that information and throw it away on principal? Does that make the death and pain of those people for nothing? Or do you use it and don't condone the person or their actions? This is a difficult moral choice to make that is heavily debated by philosophy, media, etc. There are entire SciFi TV episodes, movies, and books written about just such a debate.

That said, I don't know the usefulness of Hyprland. I've never used it and I feel like it's pretty niche, so I'm surprised Framework aren't telling this person to fuck off.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

To put it in terms of your analogy, it's one thing to use Mengele's research after he's been stopped. It's another entirely to give his research funding when he's actively running the program.

One is making use of knowledge that comes out of terrible things, the other is complicity that borders on collaboration.

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[–] majster@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I really don't know if people actually mean fascism/nazism or is this just a term applied to xenophobic nationalism. I see this all around fedi and I genuinely can't tell which case it is.

[–] SallyStrange@eldritch.cafe 7 points 1 day ago (8 children)

@majster @pegazz What's the difference? And why should anyone who isn't a fascist, a nazi, or a xenophobic nationalist care?

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