I don't buy that DHH is supposed to be racist. Source please.
this post was submitted on 09 Oct 2025
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Got the source https://web.archive.org/web/20250925050154/https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64
Money quote:
You can sometimes be forgiven for thinking that all of Britain is lost in self-loathing, shame, and suicidal empathy.
The elephant in the room more people need to pay attention to that many of us who work in IT are painfully intimate with.
Many IT people are hardcore libertarians who believe in some warped idea that they are where they are through their intelligence and hardwork while completely ignoring many of them come from backgrounds that afforded them the opportunities they are taking advantage of.
100% many of them are sexist, racist and bigoted pieces of shit that hide it at work because they're adept at masking the fact that a lot of them are borderline autistic at worst and neurodivergent at best.
This is also why you see such a deep investment in idiocy like AI, Bitcoin and other paradigm shifts. They all have their heads up their asses and feel they're better than everyone else.
Couple all this with the demographic being primarily white males.
Fuck talk to any woman who works in IT. It's changing yes, but Jesus Christ it's a cesspool in many ways.
Source: 25+ years in IT
Many IT people are hardcore libertarians who believe in some warped idea that they are where they are through their intelligence and hardwork while completely ignoring many of them come from backgrounds that afforded them the opportunities they are taking advantage of.
I was this person. It is possible to reform, but it takes genuine curiosity and willingness to be wrong. Neither of those is rewarded by the IT environment of the last 30 years.
At my company, most of the IT team are hardcore Trump supporters who do not see a problem with working with LGBTQIA people and being polite to their face, while also wanting them to have less rights.
Yes, they are all white men. And yes, all of them will tell you how hard they worked to get there, completely oblivious of how much an advantage they got to get there.
I'm posting my take here before reading any comments, but I will be looking for validation or good counter arguments:
This feels like Framework admitting that the opensource community is too small to exclude anyone, or maybe that they feel they can't exclude anyone because doing so would damage their ability to do business? I'm not picking up a "we love nazis" vibe, I'm picking up a "nazis are fucking everywhere, what do you want us to do, for fucks sake" vibe.
I don't know how I feel about that yet.
I get the impression a lot of people think that framework are a lot bigger than they actually are, in reality they are not much more than a start up
There are a whole bunch of distros and window managers/compositors that aren't developed by nazis. I think we will be fine if we exclude those that are.
Yeah I agree completely with that sentiment.
Maybe they didn't know before, but they definitely know now. It'll be interesting to see how they respond going forward.
It might be the same situation of me. I'm not a fascist and I use hyprland, I just was unaware until now.
tbh, the hyperland thing is, for me personally, not too dramatic. Like there was a failure in moderation and response, but "a manufacturer that supports an floss project that has a discord channel where a mod changed the pronouns of a user and the admin of said channel didn't respond harshly enough" sounds "forgiveable". Not ideal, but also not super dramatic.
DHH on the other hand 😅😂...
The hyprland situation is waaaay more than just that. And it's not hard to find with a search.
Huh? I can't find anything? Can you help me out?
https://drewdevault.com/2024/04/09/2024-04-09-FDO-conduct-enforcement.html
P.S. you are right. Google has gotten so much worse compared just a year ago. I had no trouble finding this back then, now I have to dig.
Thanks 😁 Okay, first of all, I agree with the general sentiment. You should not donate money to facists. Which DHH clearly is. (I mean, it's absurd that we even have to talk about this in 2025, right? 😅) Just to be completely clear here.
I also agree that the hyperland community is full of assholes. However, being an ignorant asshole is different from being a fascist. If you read the blog of that hyperland guy, I get clearly the picture of an arrogant priviledged dude. However, he does not appear to be a nazi. (I wouldn't hang around with him, but he is not a fascist.)
And for me personally, that doesn't qualify for a boycott. If we draw the line there, boy would we end up with a lot of services to boycott. Even Linus Torvalds himself is kinda a dick at times (a differen kind yes, but still). Richard Stallman is bonkers. Don't get me started on Mark Shuttleworth. However, that doesn't mean that they are fascists and we need to exclude them from our communities. It doesn't mean that any corp donating to the Linux Foundation is evil and need to be boycotted.
Again, the argument against FW still stands because of DHH and their poor handling of the situation. But honestly, continuing to use hyprland in general is okay in my eyes. Supporting them with money is a bit more nuanced of course, but doesn't qualify to get cancelled.
I would say most of the customers of Framework are the kinds of people who espouse the kind of antifascist ideology that that guy that started the thread does.
I don't think that the fascist sympathizer circle and the "willing to pay more money for an ethical laptop that isn't beholden to a big corporation for repair" circles have much overlap.
This is easy, "Framework doesn't support fascism or racism in any form. We support open source software and right to repair. Due to concerns with ideology in some of the projects we sponsor we are reviewing the projects we sponsor to make sure that they align with our values as a company."
The fact that they aren't willing to say so says plenty.
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isnt steam comments having the same far-right comments, honestly they are infesting every online space, with comment sections, with anti-woke comments, far right comments
whataboutism. just because steam is fucking this up doesn't mean floss projects should get a free pass. i think it's even worse if community projects are asleep at the wheel on this, commercial projects like steam at least have an excuse of looking at a loss of sales.
As an avid gamer, it’s ANNOYING AS FUCK.
When a new game is out, I want to know about bugs and performance, not whether or not the writing is ‘woke’, what characters are LGBTQ or how somehow any other aspect of it is related to this culture war. Fuck off with that far right bullshit.
Gaming forums should be about games. Leave politics and other bullshit out of it.
These days I just look at YouTube reviews and skip Steam’s comment section for at least a month after launch.
I work for a fascist. He's my father. Fox is on his TV in his office beside mine right now. I suppose most would hate me if they knew that without knowing I cancel his vote out every time.
This might be a similar kind of situation.
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Did the author bother contacting them first before treating them like utter garbage and trying to rile up a public lynch mob? Just because something is well known to you doesn't make it well known to everyone. If there are no alternatives with the feature set you are looking for, then sometimes you even have to overlook questionable authors, sort of like Lemmy. If it's open source and has a license that allows forks, it doesn't matter that much.
You use open source because of functionality. It didn't used to be too long ago when people bothered to prove other people wrong through example instead of persecution. If you never convince people they are wrong, you just favor them creating and being in as much of an echo chamber as yourself. Even when they can't be convinced, there are other people listening to the conversation.
We support open source software (and hardware), and partner with developers and maintainers across the ecosystem. We deliberately create a big tent, because we want open source software to win. We don’t partner based on individuals’ or organizations’ beliefs, values, or political stances outside of their alignment with us on increasing the adoption of open source software.
Even just from looking at it from a practical standpoint, it would sink just about any company if they have to go full FBI investigation for every single member. If you agree with OP so much, then why do you not agree with OP?
perhaps it is indeed best to let it rest for now. i’ll certainly sleep on it now! :slight_smile:
Some people want to watch the world burn bridges.
from what i've seen online, the build quality of framework laptops is garbage as well. i'd rather get a (linux) laptop with solid build quality and use it a bit longer instead of having to replace the monitor hinges every year or so.
Did the author bother contacting them first before treating them like utter garbage and trying to rile up a public lynch mob?
Yes, the community.frame.work is the preferred method for asking questions to Framework (see: https://frame.work/support), and the first post makes a few statements about non-Framework persons/projects and Framework has sponsored, and asks one question to Framework.
So, if you'd read the damn post, you'd know this is exactly how Framework asks to be engaged.
plus it's their CEO, or their community manager in their name, directly addressing the questioner and going "you don't understand, under our big tent approach only 5% of people we give money to are controversial, let's not address your concerns and move on."
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