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[–] Lembot_0004@discuss.online 202 points 1 week ago (2 children)

TLDR:

report had been published right before the outage, alleging that the company had laid off 40% of its DevOps team to replace them with AI. ... there is a lot of skepticism around this article... although we do not claim it is true or is somehow connected to the systems' crash.

Super-Duper-short-version:

No trustworthy data about the incident.

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be fair, this is 2025, there's no trustworthy data about anything any more.

Hell, you might just be an AI. Or I might just be an AI. Or maybe there wasn't even an outage. I didn't notice any issues, so maybe AI hallucinated it, or it's been made up as clickbait and been second-hand reported by thousands of news sites that don't care about fact checking any more.

Not that there are facts any more, anyway.

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[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Amazon is laying off or has lost truly staggering numbers of experienced staff.

So it might not be AI, although my experience with AI suggests it's right about 60% of the time and there's no way I would let it implement it's own recommendations anywhere near anything that earned me money.

It might just be cheaper, younger, newer staff making mistakes they don't know how to fix.

https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/20/aws_outage_amazon_brain_drain_corey_quinn/

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 84 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

More likely their hamfisted return to work layoff scheme has caused them to bleed experienced staff. The only people left are less experienced and give less of a shit. It took them over an hour to realize the database of their DNS system was the issue.

[–] Hasherm0n@lemmy.world 79 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I asked a buddy that works at Amazon about the outage and he pointed me to this article.

https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/20/aws_outage_amazon_brain_drain_corey_quinn/

I know quite a few people who currently work there and pretty much all of them are trying to leave.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 69 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 20 points 1 week ago

Thanks I didnt see that. Ill add it to the description.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago

I really want this to be true, because not only I believe that would be the immediate outcome, but also because it would be hilarious.

But a somewhat credible source that's not wrapped in "allegedly" and old stories would really help drive the point home.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 48 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I know there's doubt as to the validity of the claims. I only want to say this: when "AI" takes jobs, who is there to plug things in to make the "AI" machine go?

Sounds like Amazon fucked around and found out.... Allegedly.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A handful of senior engineers or developers. And then we're even more ducked when they retire or die, because the no-one is hiring junior engineers or developers

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[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What a great idea to test this on paying customers' live production websites.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 38 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Absolute fucking MORONS have taken over the world, and are wrecking it.

IF we ever get our country back, we have to go forward with a national strategy that we no longer have to be polite to treasonous MAGA scumbags. Everytime they open their mouths they should be shouted down with screams to shut the fuck up.

We should never have to tolerate the opinions of stupid, violent traitors.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

I’m already there. I don’t hide my revulsion.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

They'll all pretend they were never MAGA, why are you still going on about Trump, we're trying to look forward, etc.

This is exactly how the GOP disowned the Bush II Administration with the Tea Party.

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MBAs are mortal enemies of software engineers. Couple that with what one former CEO of mine said: "engineers have very well tuned bullshit detectors" and you arrive at the problem...

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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (30 children)

DevOps cannot be automated away. So stupid.

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[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I doubt it. Even the article claims that there's been no news about layoffs since July. No mentions from laid off engineers online either.

July isn't "days before", unless you're really stretching "days"

[–] prime_number_314159@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Days before the Queen of England died, the Roman Empire collapsed. Coincidence? (Literally no, but I sure could speculate).

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

The execs started buying into their own bullshit…

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ah yes trustworthy source 80.lv

Look into this source for like 2 seconds, it is a marketing research company, not journalists, with extremely suspicious and likely generated team. https://80.lv/contact-us#audience https://my.linkedin.com/in/arti-sergeev the "Head" of 80 level doesn't even seem like a real person, definitely not a real picture.

So you’re saying the 80.lv “team” are AI generated? Wouldn’t that be ironic…AI making shit up about AI.

[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Uhh, why do you say that's not a real pic?

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Literally everything about that site is generated. It is possible it is the real picture of a Russian guy who went to online school that lives in Malaysia but considering that all the articles, all the stock photos look generated, I'm going to assume the faces are too.

[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ok so you're bullshitting based on assumptions. Maybe you're right maybe you're wrong. Got it.

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I know for a fact this is a fake article with no proof lol that is enough for me. Sorry you lack critical thinking skills and media literacy

[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You know for a fact something that you cannot prove outside of your own personal intuition. This is why we can't have nice things.

Wow ai has gotten really good https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2499164710468188&set=pb.100011240502375.-2207520000&type=3

He even has the right number of fingers and various pictures in different states of shaving, dress, environments. If that guy is ai, I'd hire him.

[–] neuromorph@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

"the only winning move is not to play"

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Amazon has laid off or scared off the vast majority of their most experienced people. Those that weren’t laid off quit over stupidity like “RTO”. I don’t doubt that their underpaid junior staff and Kool-Aid drinking upper management decided that AI is a great way to replace all the lost knowledge and expertise. As with the downfall of civilization, this will get much worse before it gets better. It will be interesting to see how huge companies react to another companies enshittification actively damaging their business and reputation.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

amazon also is more burned-out heavy than other tech companies aside from the tesla, i saw all those reviews and the peoples post on reddit.

[–] Capernaum@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah I don't trust the source, but I've heard a ton of articles saying they've been replacing people with AI.

We cannot have the internet be centralized on central hardware with so little oversight.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 4 points 6 days ago

The thing is that Amazon needs to get broken up way more than Ma Bell did. Most people have never heard of AWS before, but it's crazy to have one company own so much of the internet, even before you get into their stranglehold on internet commerce (which also should be broken up).

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Why am I not surprised...

[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/17/ai-amazon-workforce-jassy.html

It's not tough to see what led to this crash. Occam's razor is pretty clear on this one.

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