I think Louis Rossmann's heart is in the right place, his work for right for repair is genuine, his disdain for New York's intolerable bureaucracy is completely understandable and justified, but it is leading him in bad directions and has been ever since he linked up with FUTO. Never trust a billionaire and never let them delude you into thinking they care about you or anyone. He is being used for his reputation and his audience and when they are done consuming those things for the billionaire's cause's benefit he will be left with neither one and the billionaire will move on without slowing down or shedding a tear.
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Such a bummer that they took over Immich
Immich is fine.. full FOSS and alive. I just dont get you people.
What keeps them from changing the Immich license from AGPL to FUTO?
Copyright.
AGPL says that the original author of any chunk of code owns the copyright to it.
Meaning to change the license you have to get every copyright holder (read every developer who has contributed code) to agree to the license change and give over the copy right.
Edit: to be clear, I don't like FUTO either. As a visible minority, I know libertarians are not my friends. But a copyright rug pull is hard to do in immich.
From what I'm seeing, you're right. If there was a contributor assignment policy (some official policy associated with Immich saying that by submitting a PR, you agree to assign copyright on your code changes go the Immich project), FUTO could change the license on future versions as they wished. But it doesn't look like there's any contributor assignment or contributor license agreement on Immich.
To be pedantic, Immich did change from MIT to AGPLv3 a while ago. FUTO could technically scrap the current version, grab the last MIT version of the code, relicense it under their "source-first" license (or any other license they like, pretty much), and declare "this is now the official development version of Immich from which new releases will come." That would be drastic even for FUTO, though (I don't think that's likely any time soon), and the community could then fork the latest AGPLv3 version with a different name and carry on with development.
Once you go copy left, you need everyone's consent to change the license.
The MIT license is the creator owns the copyright, and any changes you contribute are licesned under the sam MIT as the project.
So to go from MIt -> anything only requires the consent of the project onwer.
Any copy left (like AGPL) license -> anything requires every contributors consent.
It is possible, but practically infeasible at scale.
I'd have to read more about AGPL, but IIRC GPLv2 says you must license any derived code as the same license.
IANAL, just someone whose looked into this before.
What did they do to immich?!
Funded a team of devs to work on it full time.
Also made it shareware.
Pls explain. I cannot see how it is shareware with an AGPL licence behind it and full code published. Or is it just fud ?
fud, it's "shareware" in the sense that there's a dismissable popup that asks you to pretty please pay 100$, but it's AGPLv3 and no features are locked behind the paywall.
Huh. So anyone could maintain a fork or patchset and distribute builds that were feature-for-feature identical to Immich but with no nag screens. Just an interesting thought.
eli5?
This is all in reference to this article.
FUTO is an organization that talks a lot of rhetoric about being some bastion of consumer rights in tech, but they're doing a lot of shitty, shady, and downright evil things. Among them, FUTO has been in the practice of making small grants to FOSS projects (like ffmpeg and musl) and then plastering the FOSS project's name and logo all over the FUTO site in a way that makes it seem as if FUTO is endorsed by said FOSS projects when that's not the case at all.
(All this after doing everything in their power with their rhetoric to try to discredit and degrade the entire FOSS community. They wrote an "apology", but even in the apology, they express their "disdain for OSI approved licenses". Mind you, ~~none of FUTO's projects are Open Source~~ most of their projects are proprietary.)
After that article came out just a couple of days ago, apparently they redid their site, I'd have to guess in an effort to address the concern that the way FUTO presented their grant program before implied endorsement by a lot of FOSS projects that didn't endorse them in any way. I don't think they've done enough, and there are tons of other reasons to think FUTO is evil assholes using consumer rights rhetoric to manipulate people in service to its (fully for-profit) bottom line.
Other concerns in the article include FUTO's connection to explicit/proud fascists and using their platform to (even coercing Louis Rossmann into) spread fascist propaganda.
I've clicked through the links and the most 'evil' thing they did seems to be using a non-mainstream open source licence? Evil is getting contracted by Israel. Prohibiting other companies from profiting off your work isn't evil.
Edit: And they hosted an interview with Curtis Yarvin. That's bad, but still doesn't warrant calling them evil.
Honestly getting tired of the purity tests. The alternatives are horrific. Google. Apple. Meta. So please find me the FOSS project that is perfectly free of sin which I'm allowed to support.
At this point it begins to feel as though this DDV is only here to write takedown pieces on projects not deemed pure enough for the cause.
FUTO hosted an interview once with a POS guy. Oh, the horror. Please help me understand what that has to do with the existence of a keyboard that isn't spyware. Yeah no. I'll keep supporting the working alternatives, you have fun using absolutely nothing because "What if one of the devs wasn't a good person??!"
Yeah, the keyboard is source available, that's good enough for me.
They weren't even grants. They just donated money and said "look we're sponsoring them!", implying a relationship. As mentioned in that article, musl and ffmpeg (and probably everyone) didn't even know FUTO was doing this.
Immich it licensed under AGPL 3 and the code is open - isn't that FOSS?
I know some of their apps are licensed under a semi-open license of their own creation and that's been touchy to say the least. But is it true to say that none of their apps are FOSS?
Ah. My mistake. I'll edit my comment.
Edit: According to another comment in this post, FUTO "took over" Immich. Seems like maybe Immich was AGPLv3 before FUTO got hold of it. Still qualifies as "one of FUTO's projects", and your point is still well made, but it does still add a bit of context, and honestly I have to wonder whether future versions of Immich will remain FOSS.
They actually reliscenced from mit (or some permissive liscence) to AGPLv3 right before getting "taken over" by FUTO (futo now pays the immich devs to work full time on the project)
I'll be honest- never even heard of futo outside the context of immich (and I don't even run it.) Interesting to hear they have anything besides that.
Thanks for posting this. Just uninstalled Futo keyboard and its neighboring speech to text app. Gotta hunt around for a replacement on both, tho I've been using Heliboard, which is okay. Still really bad at swipe predictions.
If you are comfortable using F-Droid or Obtainium I found HeliBoard to be a good keyboard replacement: https://github.com/Helium314/HeliBoard
Sadly anything not going through the Google Play store is currently under attack: https://f-droid.org/2025/09/29/google-developer-registration-decree.html
I just switched to Heliboard. I like it, but I wish it had swiping.
It does, if you are willing to use the google binaries. It's on their github page.
Hah! That's why I said I was using Heliboard :P As noted, not the greatest text prediction. e.g. I'll type "in" specifically starting over the I, and it still types "on", and it also doesn't like shorthand wording, like "gonna" which every time gets replaced with "Gibbs"
Still better than the Google keyboard with its billion all-seeing eyes on you.
🤦♂️ Sometimes I wonder who those people are who immediately jump to conclusions because they can't be bothered to read a simple paragraph of text. Me. The answer is - it's me!
Hopefully something good still came out of it. Maybe as someone else recommended adding your frequently used words to your dictionary will help with word sugggestions.
Can't you just put the shorthand words you want in a personal dictionary? That worked for me. Able to type words not in the default dictionary without autocorrecting.
The voice recognition is honestly the best I've ever used. It'll be a shame to give it up.
If I decide to switch keyboards, I'm certain I would go back to HeliBoard.
There's been a real explosion of open source voice recognition over the past few months, and I haven't tested a lot. Whisper+ looks like a promising one. Before using Futo, I used Sayboard, which I was pretty happy with.
Careful, I heard one of the Heliboard devs kicked a puppy once. How dare you support such Evil software?!
/s because sadly that's needed
I was really loving Futo keyboard, but when companies are tied to any atrocities, or in this case, plain general evil, it's really tough to stick with. I jumped very briefly over to Sayboard before your post (saw it on F-Droid), but I'm hoping Whisper+ works better, as I think I'll simultaneously be using it for my upcoming HA voice assistant project.
Their voice recognition is just OpenAI Whisper. Transcribro uses the exact same thing. It's just not built into a handy key on the keyboard.
Transcribro is another that looks promising.
They secretly funded projects without letting the recipients know it was them funding and then added their names and logos to their site without permission. When someone spoke out against this, they harassed them. This is in addition to a lot of behavior supporting fascists.
what facist projects?
The article I linked in another comment explains more, but Eron Wolf, founder of FUTO, kindof pressured or hoodwinked Louis Rossmann into publicly interviewing Curtis Yarvin who happily refers to himself as a "reactionary fascist" and publicly states that black people are inherently suitable for enslavement.
I don't know that it's so much that they support "fascist projects" as much as they go out of their way to be a platform for spreading fascist propaganda, and particularly promoting the fascist Curtis Yarvin.
That is not supporting fascist projects even if its a mistake
That is not supporting fascist projects
Literally what I just said in the comment you responded to.
He didn’t say “supporting fascist projects” he said “supporting fascists”
Even the very mention of Yarvin should have your skin crawling.