Seems reasonable
Meanwhile in Ontario, right beside them, public funds still go to Catholic schools
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Seems reasonable
Meanwhile in Ontario, right beside them, public funds still go to Catholic schools
lmao catholic private schools receive public funds in quebec too
why do actual secularism when you could just attack Muslim people 🙃
Ugh.
That is fucking absurd.
How the fuck even.
Good for them
Good, do schools next.
Québécois here. I'm surprised by the positive reception here.
First because normally, anything about Québec policies on reddit (unless it's on a Quebec-related sub) is received very negatively, and harshly so, while I may support, be neutral, or against but with understanding where it's coming from. But that may be a Reddit-Lemmy difference. And that's welcome. I don't expect people to agree with everything Quebec does, but I do value reason.
Second, because this time, I'm very much against. I'm an atheist, antitheist even. But what would banning headscarves in daycare centers even achieve? Do you think children growing up will be convinced to become Muslim because their educators were veiled? And for the negative impacts:
People probably mistakenly assumed the law was in good faith and would do something like ban hanging crosses around the classroom, not ban covering up part of your body. Calling head coverings "religious symbols" is flatly dishonest. Next up anybody who doesn't eat bacon at every meal will be fired for forcing their religion on others.
Oh. That government has been campaigning on this for years now. I didn't even realize it would mean something different to the wider world. Of course it does. My bad. Yeah. It's all about veiled women. It's all very xenophobic, islamophobic.
But what would banning headscarves in daycare centers even achieve
it allows people to escape oppression? Religion has no place in day care centres, period.
our education system is in ruins, our healthcare system is even worse, people can’t pay for housing and groceries, and despite tons of budget cuts everywhere the provincial debt has never been worse.
…but thankfully, the CAQ is here to fight the real issues: those darn Muslims doing childcare!!!
I was with them until this:
The government has already tabled legislation to extend the religious symbols ban to all public school staff, and Roberge has also promised to ban prayer in public places.
I hope I’m interpreting this too cynically, but that sounds like something that’s not really possible (nailing down what is and isn’t a prayer just for this comment is giving me a headache, like does “damn it!” count?). What they could do is ban the use of prayer mats, but that would only really hit one religion. Hopefully that’s neither their intent nor the course they’d take.
oh no the public prayer ban thing is 100%, wholly just Islamophobia. the people who want the ban have already said they’re fine with catholic public praying.
i’ll note that Muslims doing prayers in public in quebec started pretty recently, and most of it is grieving during pro-Palestine protests.
that’s what quebec wants to ban: people grieving for Palestine. it’s sickening
I don't think Muslims really pray in public space, I've never seen it personally. I have seen a lot of Jehovah's witnesses and the rest of the Christ cult having "public prayers" in parks while really trying to talk and convince 15 year olds to join their religion.
I've seen it a few times at highway rest stops. But definitely not a common sight
You are being way to strict with your interpretation. Also the way you bring up prayer mats raises an eyebrow.
As I said, I hope I am wrong about my interpretation. What’s eyebrow raising about prayer mats?
Good!
Good, any religion for kids who don't even have the slightest concept of their own mortality or metaphysics is uenthical and immoral, period.
It’s already infuriating living in Canada, everyone is drowning in rent and food costs and all the government does is debate loggin contracts, foreign diplomacy and how to help the citizens of other countries. Not once do they actually bother to deal with the everyday issues that are drowning us. Quebec is 100x worse in this sense. Rent control and food assistance? Nah, we banned muslims instead!
Goodbye Zero... It was nice knowing you.
So basically, no Muslims or Jews or Sikhs allowed? Doesn't seem that great to me.
To the downvotes: this specifically bans religious dress. Don't you think it's a little too convenient that the majority religion is one that doesn't incorporate any type of religious dress? This law is designed to have an outsized effect on people who wear a keffiyeh, yarmulke, hijab, or turban.
For anyone unfamiliar, this is just extending an already contentious, anti-religion law.
Statement from a Muslim civil rights group
Exactly right... this is like a ban on braziers but pretending it applies to all: male, female and everything in between... well, I am sure you can see a group would be more affected than other, right?
Why is no one with this information making a top comment about it?
All the top comments seem totally unreasonable at first glance.
Because it's basically saying 3/4 of religions should be exempt from separation from church and state.
Symbols and garbs are the same thing, if you can't separate yourself from your religion to the point where you can't take off the silly hat for a shift, then you shouldn't be working for the state. You aren't working for your God, the government isn't paying you to advertise whatever flavor you belong to.
It's all a club so they can treat each other better, it's tribalism and it has no place in our society anymore. Nice to see someone taking a firm stance.
Yeah, this sort of thing has been going on in Quebec for years with the same intent: Act respecting the laicity of the State